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Post by Neverending on Jul 14, 2016 21:05:11 GMT -5
Let's cut to the chase. The movie is good. It's funny. It's mostly well cast. The visuals are fun. The music is great. Awful marketing and Internet shenanigans made the film an unfair target. So no need to boycott. Watch it. It's good.
That being said, there are issues. Kate McKinnon, wow, what a disappointment. I don't know what the fuck she was smoking, but she's in a totally different movie. Melissa McCarthy, I don't know what to say, she was just a bad choice. She didn't act bad or anything like that, but she just didn't feel right. And, yeah, Richard Roeper is right. The villain is just... terrible. NOT the character, the actor.
Other than that, I enjoyed it. Kristen Wiig is great. Chris Hemsworth is awesome. Give the man an Oscar. The ghosts are... surprisingly good. The ending... is a typical... city destruction, but it worked this time. The cameos are... pretty good for the most part. Bill Murray, you could tell, he didn't wanna be there but it's still fun to see him. Slimer actually has the best cameo. He's hilarious - as usual.
I don't know what else to say. I liked it. The audience, they REALLY loved it. And it wasn't a bunch of chicks. It was FAMILIES. That's the... irony? All this men vs women shit and it's families that are actually showing up. You know... the grown-ups and the kids who don't use social media. Go figure.
And stay for the end credits - and the after credits.
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Post by Justin on Jul 14, 2016 21:13:31 GMT -5
Thoughts on Leslie Jones? Token black character or what?
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Post by Neverending on Jul 14, 2016 21:23:15 GMT -5
Thoughts on Leslie Jones? Token black character or what? Yes and no. She's good in the movie and they give her purpose by making her the history buff. History plays a part in the plot. The plot is, essentially, the same as the original. Hotel is the center of ghost activity. Anyway... she didn't make me laugh. The jokes ARE token Black. But it didn't bother me. I was too distracted by Kate McKinnon and whatever the fuck she was doing.
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Post by Justin on Jul 14, 2016 21:53:50 GMT -5
I see. It could be worse, I guess? Thanks.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 14, 2016 22:04:26 GMT -5
I see...it could be worse, I guess? Thanks. She isn't really a focal point in the movie. She plays a bigger part than Ernie Hudson in the original, but she ultimately gets less screentime than Wiig, McCarthy, McKinnon and Hemsworth. Yes, Hemsworth. This isn't really a spoiler since it's in the trailer, but Hemsworth gets possessed by the villain and takes over for the original actor. He's pretty much the villain during the climactic action scenes. Leslie Jones, aside from a few early scenes, is just there to make wisecracks and gets totally lost during all the big action scenes.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 14, 2016 23:24:21 GMT -5
Let me ask you this Neverending, it would be interesting to get your take.
I've read a lot of the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes and the conclusion I've come to is that there's absolutely no consistency or consensus. Zero. I think that's because what I always knew would happen ended up happening, people made up their minds about the movie weeks ago and it showed in their reviews. If you read the reviews you'll see a ton of conflicting ideas; Kate McKinnon stole the show, Kate McKinnon was terrible. The visual effects were great, the visual effects were cheap. The actresses had great chemistry, the actresses had no chemistry. The movie was hilarious, the movie was the worst. So what do you think, has the bias come across too much in the reviews? Which side should claim victory?
Also, the guy who played the villain Rowan is comedian Neil Casey. He's a popular improv comedian at the Upright Citizens Brigade theater here in LA and has done a lot of TV writing for shows like Saturday Night Live. I've watched him perform several times and he's one of the funniest people I've ever seen in my life. He is insanely, almost criminally funny. If he's wasted here like you say he is that would be a huge disappointment.
The movie was written by another Upright Citizens Brigade alum named Katie Dippold who also is a solid improv comedian. She wrote for Parks and Rec which I can't vouch for because I haven't seen it but she also wrote The Heat which is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. For the sake of those in the Ghostbusters audience lets hope it's closer to Parks and Rec.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2016 0:10:15 GMT -5
Let me ask you this Neverending, it would be interesting to get your take. I've read a lot of the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes and the conclusion I've come to is that there's absolutely no consistency or consensus. Zero. I think that's because what I always knew would happen ended up happening, people made up their minds about the movie weeks ago and it showed in their reviews. If you read the reviews you'll see a ton of conflicting ideas; Kate McKinnon stole the show, Kate McKinnon was terrible. The visual effects were great, the visual effects were cheap. The actresses had great chemistry, the actresses had no chemistry. The movie was hilarious, the movie was the worst. So what do you think, has the bias come across too much in the reviews? Which side should claim victory? Also, the guy who played the villain Rowan is comedian Neil Casey. He's a popular improv comedian at the Upright Citizens Brigade theater here in LA and has done a lot of TV writing for shows like Saturday Night Live. I've watched him perform several times and he's one of the funniest people I've ever seen in my life. He is insanely, almost criminally funny. If he's wasted here like you say he is that would be a huge disappointment. The movie was written by another Upright Citizens Brigade alum named Katie Dippold who also is a solid improv comedian. She wrote for Parks and Rec which I can't vouch for because I haven't seen it but she also wrote The Heat which is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. For the sake of those in the Ghostbusters audience lets hope it's closer to Parks and Rec. Neil Casey isn't given one single funny thing to say or do and is replaced by Chris Hemsworth, and later, CGI. Richard Roeper is spot on that no one will remember him - unless they've seen the movie a bunch of times. Hemsworth is the de facto villain. The way that Sigourney Weaver and Rick Moranis as the key master and gate keeper are more fondly remembered than the actual bad guy. You're right that most critics wrote their reviews a while ago. That happens with a lot of movies. But the conflicting opinions also have to do with perspective. Kristen Wiig IS the main character. She isn't the Bill Murray, thankfully, but the story does revolve around her and she is given the hero moment. Make no mistake. This IS a summer blockbuster. That's why the trailers were lacking in comedy. The movie has A LOT of action and the marketing team, for whatever reason, didn't wanna acknowledge that. So if you're invested in Wiig's character, and everything that it leads to, than Kate McKinnon's character is super out-of-place. But if you don't give a shit, you did hate Bridesmaids after all and other people too, then Kate McKinnon will be the reason to watch the movie. Kristen Wiig doesn't re-invent the wheel. She does her usual performance, just like Murray did HIS usual performance in the original, so if you hate Wiig, you'll hate her here too. And Melissa McCarthy and Leslie Jones play, well, stereotypes. McKinnon and Hemsworth are the ones doing the more... outlandish characters. They're the ones that stand out. So your reaction will be based on their relationship to the movie and how you perceive the movie. McKinnon, to me, distracted from the story. Hemsworth didn't because his character doesn't get in the way. He's just there for the comedy. And when his character gets possessed and does become a part of the story, Hemsworth delivers a different performance and one that matches the tone of the scene.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 15, 2016 0:31:11 GMT -5
Interesting, interesting indeed.
I'm going to be honest, your review is literally the only one I'm trusting in any way and I'm not saying that to make you feel good, I'm saying it because I think you're being honest which you can't say about Richard Roeper or anyone writing for Jezebel. I probably won't watch it in theaters but I'll give it a watch when it's on HBO. I'll try to remain as unbiased as a guy can be considering how I don't like anything else Paul Feig has done. Ah well.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 15, 2016 0:53:21 GMT -5
Interesting, interesting indeed. I'm going to be honest, your review is literally the only one I'm trusting in any way and I'm not saying that to make you feel good, I'm saying it because I think you're being honest which you can't say about Richard Roeper or anyone writing for Jezebel. I probably won't watch it in theaters but I'll give it a watch when it's on HBO. I'll try to remain as unbiased as a guy can be considering how I don't like anything else Paul Feig has done. Ah well. To give Paul Feig credit, Bridesmaids, The Heat and Spy are different movies. There's a common sense of humor, but as movies, they're very different. Ghostbusters continues that tradition. There isn't a scene where Melissa McCarthy shits on a sink, but there's a pussy fart joke in a PG-13 movie. It literally got the biggest laugh in my theater. But considering the amount of special effects, it has very little in common with his other movies.
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Post by FShuttari on Jul 15, 2016 13:00:07 GMT -5
This movie was headed towards a bomb. But instead getting critical praise and on top of that, it also seems to be getting great word of mouth.
I will definitely be checking this movie out this month.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 15, 2016 17:29:23 GMT -5
Yeah, my curiosity about it has increased to a more genuine level over the past two weeks, so I'm going to give it a shot. And by the way, I actually sat down and watched Spy last weekend. Bridesmaids I remember liking in the theater but not so much at home, I HATED The Heat (much like Doomsday), but Spy...wasn't terrible. It's certainly the most tolerable of Feig's movies so far and it's actually fairly decent as an action movie but nothing special as a comedy or overall movie. But I gotta say I am legitimately curious about Ghostbusters now.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 15, 2016 17:41:51 GMT -5
I've been meaning to watch Spy for some time. Like I said in another thread, I don't like Melissa McCarthy, I don't like Paul Feig and there's 1000 other movies I would rather watch but I might give it a go just to keep up with conversation.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 15, 2016 23:45:58 GMT -5
Spy was pretty decent as a library rental with low expectations. It's not terribly funny but it isn't offensive and while the action isn't great the film does work better as an action movie than other spy spoofs like Austin Powers or Get Smart.
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Post by Pbar on Jul 16, 2016 17:53:02 GMT -5
Went in expecting the worst. Came out loving it. Yeah there's issues but it clicks so well you forgive it. Holtzmann might be my favorite Ghostbuster, period.
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Post by Doomsday on Jul 16, 2016 19:49:20 GMT -5
He's a plant!
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Post by Neverending on Jul 16, 2016 20:35:03 GMT -5
Holtzmann might be my favorite Ghostbuster, period.
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Post by Deexan on Jul 17, 2016 0:39:49 GMT -5
Went in expecting the worst. Came out loving it. Yeah there's issues but it clicks so well you forgive it. Holtzmann might be my favorite Ghostbuster, period. Venkman rolls his eyes at this in the way that only Venkman can. Don't make me call you dickless, now.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2016 2:15:17 GMT -5
Went in expecting the worst. Came out loving it. Yeah there's issues but it clicks so well you forgive it. Holtzmann might be my favorite Ghostbuster, period. Venkman rolls his eyes at this in the way that only Venkman can. Don't make me call you dickless, now. Ghostbusters: Best to Worst Bill Murray Dan Aykroyd Kristen Wiig Harold Ramis Kate McKinnon Ernie Hudson Melissa McCarthy Leslie Jones
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Post by Deexan on Jul 17, 2016 3:08:40 GMT -5
Wiig above Ramis? Controversial.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Jul 17, 2016 15:20:44 GMT -5
And here...we...go.
To quote one of the lines near the end of the film: "Well, that wasn't terrible. That wasn't terrible at all." Overall, it's...okay. Uneven, but okay. Not all of the jokes stick the landing, but the ones that do did get some genuine laughs from me. All four leads held their own and had solid chemistry, but I thought Kate McKinnon needed to tone it down. McKinnon had her moments to be fair, but the problem with her was that she was always on and never just played it straight. She started to feel more like a cartoon character than a person. Leslie Jones, to me, felt the most balanced. Wiig and McCarthy were refreshingly restrained, sure, but they were also kind of dull a lot of the time. Leslie Jones might have been my favorite of the group. Don't let the trailers fool you; even though she does have those loudmouth moments here and there, she's more than just the token black character. Jones felt like the most balanced character of the group. But honestly? I think Chris Hemsworth might've stolen the movie. His character is dumber than three bags of rocks and is perhaps overdone a bit too much, but he still consistently got the biggest laughs from me. In terms of the cameos, Ernie Hudson's was easily the best, let's just leave it at that.
Paul Feig has yet to deliver a true laugh riot of a movie for me, and I think seeing Spy and this movie so close together has finally made obvious to me what my biggest problem with him is: the guy is just too in love with improvising. He overindulges in letting his actors go off on tangents and do all these line-o-ramas and he keeps them in to the detriment of the flow of the film. There were quite a few scenes in this movie that could've greatly benefitted from earlier cuts so we can just move onto the next scene. Often, these scenes start off pretty decently funny, but the jokes are just run into the ground somewhat because of Feig's refusal to yell "Cut!" To be clear, this movie DID actually get a good number of laughs out of me, but tighter editing really could've helped it out. He also needs to work on just coming up with better jokes, period. The movie clocks in at close to two hours when it should've been an hour and forty or thereabouts.
In terms of the action, like in Spy, it was decent. The scenes meant to be creepy/scary aren't really because the movie relies more on its comedic overtones, but some of the actual Ghostbusting scenes aren't bad. Actually, the concert scene that looked awkward in the trailers plays much better in the movie and might be one of my favorite scenes overall. The climax does go a little too big, but again, Feig proves himself a decent action director so it's kind of fun. But at the same time, it did have a bit too much of a "Marvel's Ghostbusters" feel to it, what with the city as a battleground trope used yet again.
Ghostbusters may be an uneven movie, but it's far from the trainwreck everyone wants it to be. I'd say it's nothing more than a rental, and a movie that you'll largely forget about not long after you've seen it. It's "meh," but Feig and co. unfortunately needed to do better than just "meh."
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2016 16:56:03 GMT -5
Wiig above Ramis? Controversial. Ramis wouldn't have disputed it. He was a writer/director first and an actor second.
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Post by Neverending on Jul 17, 2016 17:01:49 GMT -5
And here...we...go. To quote one of the lines near the end of the film: "Well, that wasn't terrible. That wasn't terrible at all." Overall, it's...okay. Uneven, but okay. Not all of the jokes stick the landing, but the ones that do did get some genuine laughs from me. All four leads held their own and had solid chemistry, but I thought Kate McKinnon needed to tone it down. McKinnon had her moments to be fair, but the problem with her was that she was always on and never just played it straight. She started to feel more like a cartoon character than a person. Leslie Jones, to me, felt the most balanced. Wiig and McCarthy were refreshingly restrained, sure, but they were also kind of dull a lot of the time. Leslie Jones might have been my favorite of the group. Don't let the trailers fool you; even though she does have those loudmouth moments here and there, she's more than just the token black character. Jones felt like the most balanced character of the group. But honestly? I think Chris Hemsworth might've stolen the movie. His character is dumber than three bags of rocks and is perhaps overdone a bit too much, but he still consistently got the biggest laughs from me. In terms of the cameos, Ernie Hudson's was easily the best, let's just leave it at that. Paul Feig has yet to deliver a true laugh riot of a movie for me, and I think seeing Spy and this movie so close together has finally made obvious to me what my biggest problem with him is: the guy is just too in love with improvising. He overindulges in letting his actors go off on tangents and do all these line-o-ramas and he keeps them in to the detriment of the flow of the film. There were quite a few scenes in this movie that could've greatly benefitted from earlier cuts so we can just move onto the next scene. Often, these scenes start off pretty decently funny, but the jokes are just run into the ground somewhat because of Feig's refusal to yell "Cut!" To be clear, this movie DID actually get a good number of laughs out of me, but tighter editing really could've helped it out. He also needs to work on just coming up with better jokes, period. The movie clocks in at close to two hours when it should've been an hour and forty or thereabouts. In terms of the action, like in Spy, it was decent. The scenes meant to be creepy/scary aren't really because the movie relies more on its comedic overtones, but some of the actual Ghostbusting scenes aren't bad. Actually, the concert scene that looked awkward in the trailers plays much better in the movie and might be one of my favorite scenes overall. The climax does go a little too big, but again, Feig proves himself a decent action director so it's kind of fun. But at the same time, it did have a bit too much of a "Marvel's Ghostbusters" feel to it, what with the city as a battleground trope used yet again. Ghostbusters may be an uneven movie, but it's far from the trainwreck everyone wants it to be. I'd say it's nothing more than a rental, and a movie that you'll largely forget about not long after you've seen it. It's "meh," but Feig and co. unfortunately needed to do better than just "meh." **1/2 /****Chris Hemsworth needs a better agent. This guy is amazing and only gets starring roles in terrible movies.
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Post by PG Cooper on Jul 17, 2016 17:02:00 GMT -5
Ramis is great in the original. I'd say better than Akroyd.
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