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Post by Neverending on Apr 4, 2017 19:48:55 GMT -5
I had my sister's VHS copy of Titanic. My household had Nine and a Half Weeks and Fatal Attraction on VHS. We had The Godfather on VHS. There's the scene when Michael goes to Sicily and encounters a naked Italian chick. Great stuff. I shed a tear when she died in that car explosion. everyone knew if you placed the cable flipper halfway between A and B, you could get the Spice channel scrambled. We had illegal cable like any respectable 90's family. Spice Channel. Playboy Channel. Cinemax After Dark. Showtime had porn too but no one gave a fuck. You watched Cinemax for the plot, Playboy for the celebrities and Spice for the porn.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 4, 2017 19:53:13 GMT -5
It was as if Picasso directed a Barely Legal. What it looks like when you fix Picasso.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 4, 2017 20:17:38 GMT -5
I had my sister's VHS copy of Titanic. My household had Nine and a Half Weeks and Fatal Attraction on VHS. We had The Godfather on VHS. There's the scene when Michael goes to Sicily and encounters a naked Italian chick. Great stuff. I shed a tear when she died in that car explosion. I think I'm beginning to see where your near-fetishistic obsession with the VHS format comes from...
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 4, 2017 20:19:52 GMT -5
My dad had a porn movie stash hidden in his closet that I stumbled upon when I was 10.
You guys had brief glimpses of boobies in R rated movies and watching through static. I was experiencing the real deal, baby.
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Post by Deexan on Apr 5, 2017 6:44:04 GMT -5
I once asked my mum to record a broadcast of The Terminator when I was 12 or something. When I watched it back, there was a 2 minute period of white noise that I later found out was the sex scene.
How dare she.
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Post by Jibbs on Apr 5, 2017 16:25:23 GMT -5
Sneaky!
You should complain and tell her that's one of the most vital sex scenes to a plot ever conceived.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 5, 2017 16:51:36 GMT -5
I like how we've managed to turn the Disney thread into a discussion of various forms of pornography...
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 5, 2017 18:04:10 GMT -5
Sneaky! You should complain and tell her that's one of the most vital sex scenes to a plot ever conceived.Nice word choice.
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Post by 1godzillafan on Apr 5, 2017 18:10:05 GMT -5
I like how we've managed to turn the Disney thread into a discussion of various forms of pornography... Well there was that penis on that Little Mermaid cover... And the original version of The Rescuers had boobs in it.
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Post by thebtskink on Apr 5, 2017 18:14:54 GMT -5
I like how we've managed to turn the Disney thread into a discussion of various forms of pornography... I blame Ian.
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Post by FShuttari on Apr 5, 2017 18:21:28 GMT -5
My parents bought me "The Lawnmower Man" on VHS when I was in middle school. The movie was meh. But that sex scene is where I learned I hit puberty... oh good times.
They had no idea what gift they had given me lol. Assuming it was a dumb kids scifi flick.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 5, 2017 18:49:52 GMT -5
My parents bought me "The Lawnmower Man" on VHS when I was in middle school. The movie was meh. But that sex scene is where I learned I hit puberty... oh good times. They had no idea what gift they had given me lol. Assuming it was a dumb kids scifi flick. What a random movie to jack off to, but I then remembered that Doomsday used to jerk off to Doc Hollywood.
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Post by FShuttari on Apr 5, 2017 22:53:58 GMT -5
My parents bought me "The Lawnmower Man" on VHS when I was in middle school. The movie was meh. But that sex scene is where I learned I hit puberty... oh good times. They had no idea what gift they had given me lol. Assuming it was a dumb kids scifi flick. What a random movie to jack off to, but I then remembered that Doomsday used to jerk off to Doc Hollywood. It was this scene. I just learned this is not the original "Lawnmower man" but it was, what it was when I was pre-teen lol!
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Post by Jibbs on Apr 6, 2017 7:25:11 GMT -5
Sneaky! You should complain and tell her that's one of the most vital sex scenes to a plot ever conceived.Nice word choice. Glad you noticed.
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Post by thebtskink on Apr 6, 2017 8:46:48 GMT -5
So... Mulan is next, huh?
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Post by Dracula on Apr 6, 2017 9:06:45 GMT -5
So... Mulan is next, huh? Hercules actually, there's a reason you forgot it. Will probably post when I get home from work.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Apr 6, 2017 18:13:24 GMT -5
So... Mulan is next, huh? Hercules actually, there's a reason you forgot it. Will probably post when I get home from work. Uh oh.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 6, 2017 19:30:18 GMT -5
Hercules (1997)
While politics and snobbery conspired to make sure I didn’t see Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame when they first came out, I didn’t really need a reason to skip Hercules, I had quite simply grown out of the demo. By 1997 was had pretty firmly graduated from PG movies to PG-13 movies and was having all kinds of fun seeing the likes of Men in Black and Austin Powers during the summer of 1997 and never even gave a thought to seeing the latest Disney flick. What little I did remember of the film’s marketing campaign (which was massive and extensive) made it look even stupider and more immature than usual. The movie was actually coming at a pretty strange time for Disney. Pocahontas and The Hunchback of Notre Dame were both clear disappointments for the company, they weren’t total disasters and they actually made decent bank overseas, but it was clear that they were losing a lot of momentum and by the time Hercules came along it was clear they needed a hit. It’s almost analogues to where the studio was back in the 40s when they spent too much on Pinocchio and went too highbrow with Fantasia and proceeded to make Dumbo to be a pared down audience pleaser that would earn a profit. Hercules was directed by John Musker and Ron Clements, the team behind The Little Mermaid and Aladdin and the movie clearly takes after the latter more than the former. More specifically it takes after the parts of Aladdin with the genie. Out of all the movies Disney made in the 90s this (and I guess The Rescuers Down Under) is the only one that more or less ignores everything about the Disney Renaissance style and kind of just does its own thing. This is pretty much a full on mad-cap comedy and rather than just having a couple of comic relief side characters pretty much everyone in this movie with the possible exception of Hercules himself is a fourth wall breaking jokers. The Greek gods are goofballs, the villain is a comical figure who talks like an agent rather than a menacing force, the hero has a sidekick who is basically an extended parody of a character from the Rocky movies, and the love interest spends the entire movie doing a Rosalind Russell impression. The movie opts for irreverence and mirth at pretty much every turn right down to the decision to have the film be narrated by a gospel group for no particularly clear reason. They also change up the art style and the movie doesn’t really have the look or feel of the other Disney movies from this period. The resulting film kind of feels like a strange hodgepodge at times. The film seems to view Hercules as a super hero of sorts and borrows liberally from the Superman story (and specifically the 1978 Richard Donner Superman film) to build up Hercules’ origin story, which is very different from the mythological version. Then the film also has this odd idea of making successful heroes into Ancient Greek celebrities akin to Michael Jordan with endorsement deals and whatnot and the film occasionally frames itself as a sports movie with a coach much talk about “going the distance,” which is odd given that Hercules was born with superhuman powers and doesn’t really need to work that hard to become a success. Then the movie throws in a gospel choir for some random reason. All of these ideas have some merit but there’s no coherence to the vision and I’m not sure they even wanted there to be. It’s in some ways a movie defined by chaos and irreverence, something at almost feels more like a descendant of the old Warner Brothers cartoons rather than classic Disney. Given how much distaste I had for the Genie in Aladdin you’d think every moment of this would grate on me, did it? Well, sort of but not exactly. What made the Genie so annoying is that he felt out of place in that movie, which was otherwise a pretty straightforward adventure movie and that was also the problem with the gargoyles in The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Here the tone is pretty consistently comedic if nothing else and that makes it less of a flaw and more a matter of taste. Do I like the humor here? Not really, but it wasn’t painful to watch exactly. Some of the gags were kind of clever but it wasn’t laugh out loud funny to me or anything ultimately the whole thing just feels completely disposable. It’s certainly not a movie made for me or even for ten year old me but I would have thought all the pandering would have made it work for its target audience, but it actually didn’t. The movie made a hundred million domestic, which isn’t any more than The Hunchback of Notre Dame made and certainly didn’t make it the comeback the studio was hoping for. I think in some ways it may have been ahead of its time and in some ways it almost seems like a dry run for what Jeffrey Katzenberg would do when he moved to Dreamworks and started making snarky movies like Shrek. That worked for Dreamworks because they were positioning themselves as the anti-Disney but from Disney itself people wanted something a little grander, at least in this era. **1/2 out of Five
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Apr 9, 2017 16:43:16 GMT -5
While, I myself enjoyed Hercules enough (though it's been a long time since I've last seen it), it's pretty telling that no one has responded to Dracula's review of the movie yet.
As to you, Dracula, when it comes to the point where Disney starts putting out multiple animated movies per year, will you cover them all? 2000 had Fantasia 2000, Dinosaur, and The Emperor's New Groove. 2002 had Lilo and Stitch and Treasure Planet.
Also, assuming you get this far (and I'm sure you'll have done research on this fact if you do), it should be pointed out that starting with 2007's Meet The Robinsons, John Lasseter became heavily involved with every theatrical animated release (following Disney's acquisition of Pixar)m when he became CCO of Walt Disney Animation Studios (while remaining as Pixar's CCO). Since that point, they have not had a critical flop. And in my opinion, have started a new Disney Animation Renaissance.
The first Disney Renaissance is said to have lasted 10 years (1989-1999)
These are the 10 movies from that era:
The Little Mermaid (1989, 92% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
The Rescuers Down Under (1990, 68% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Beauty and the Beast (1991, 93% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Aladdin (1992, 94% Fresh of Rotten Tomatoes)
The Lion King (1994, 92% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Pocahontas (1995, 56% Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes)
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996, 73% Fresh of Rotten Tomatoes)
Hercules (1997, 83% Fresh or Rotten Tomatoes)
Mulan (1998, 86% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Tarzan (1999, 88% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
These are the (currently) 10 movies from this era (2007-present):
Meet The Robinsons (2007, 66% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) (I assume this was already well into production before Lasseter became CCO in 2006, so his impact was probably not really felt)
Bolt (2008, 89% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
The Princess and the Frog (2009, 84% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Tangled (2010, 89% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Winnie the Pooh (2011, 90% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Wreck-it-Ralph (2012, 86% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Frozen (2013, 89% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Big Hero 6 (2014, 89% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Zootopia (2016, 98% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
Moana (2016, 98% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes)
The first Disney Renaissance started out strong and fizzled out. This new one seems to be getting better as it's going on. Granted, Rotten Tomatoes is not an end all be all of what makes a movie good or bad, nor did it exist when the original Renaissance was happening, so that should be taken into account. However, the last few or so Disney movies to me have that cultural reach that the early Disney Renaissance movies did. Should be interesting to see how long they can keep it up.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 9, 2017 21:37:53 GMT -5
The current era is called the Revival.
Golden Age: Snow White to Bambi Silver Age: Cinderella to Jungle Book Dark Age: Aristocats to Oliver Renaissance: Little Mermaid to Lion King Post-Renaissance: Pocahontas to Tarzan Experimental: Dinosaur to Bolt Revival: Princess & Frog to Present
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Post by Dracula on Apr 10, 2017 6:18:28 GMT -5
Well my format up to now has been to look at these movies in sets of five. The current set goes through Tarzan. After that I'm going to do two more sets of six: Fantasia 2000 through Treasure Planet and Brother Bear through Princess and the Frog. I'm not going to continue after that because I've covered most of the movies after that (an era I'm calling the Disney Enlightenment) elsewhere.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 10, 2017 8:07:32 GMT -5
Well my format up to now has been to look at these movies in sets of five. The current set goes through Tarzan. After that I'm going to do two more sets of six: Fantasia 2000 through Treasure Planet and Brother Bear through Princess and the Frog. I'm not going to continue after that because I've covered most of the movies after that (an era I'm calling the Disney Enlightenment) elsewhere. I have zero memory of you watching Tangled, Wreck It Ralph, Frozen and Big Hero Six .
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Post by Dracula on Apr 10, 2017 8:17:39 GMT -5
Well my format up to now has been to look at these movies in sets of five. The current set goes through Tarzan. After that I'm going to do two more sets of six: Fantasia 2000 through Treasure Planet and Brother Bear through Princess and the Frog. I'm not going to continue after that because I've covered most of the movies after that (an era I'm calling the Disney Enlightenment) elsewhere. I have zero memory of you watching Tangled, Wreck It Ralph, Frozen and Big Hero Six . comingsoon.boards.net/thread/96/journey-continues-skeptical-inquiries-family
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Post by thebtskink on Apr 10, 2017 9:02:00 GMT -5
It's a ways away, but I'm interested for your take on The Emperor's New Groove when you get there.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Apr 10, 2017 17:42:36 GMT -5
Did your old Pixar thread survive or is that lost to history? And speaking of Pixar.... ugh, why is there a Cars 3 coming out? But............ next year, The Incredibles 2!!
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