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Post by thebtskink on Sept 8, 2017 8:40:38 GMT -5
Any interesf in doing An American Tail?
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Post by Dracula on Sept 8, 2017 12:32:44 GMT -5
Any interesf in doing An American Tail? Not planning to do anything with Don Bluth in the near future but never say never.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 8, 2017 13:06:29 GMT -5
Any interesf in doing An American Tail? Not planning to do anything with Don Bluth in the near future but never say never. He's gonna review every Land Before Time.
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Post by thebtskink on Sept 8, 2017 15:02:30 GMT -5
Any interesf in doing An American Tail? Not planning to do anything with Don Bluth in the near future but never say never. Somewhere Out There was the original Let it Go. Man that song was everywhere growing up.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Sept 8, 2017 18:45:54 GMT -5
So, going by your ratings, it appears that you liked The Lion King the most. Do you have any interest in seeing the "live action" version? We'll see how it turns out. I haven't bothered with the live action Beauty and the Beast (yet) because it basically looks redundant, but I did see some worth in the live action Jungle Book just because it was such a special effects showcase and it did some different things with the tone and TLK looks like it could be closer to the latter than the former. Yup. It'll essentially be done like TJB, but without humans (obviously). So, it's "technically" still live action. I guess it's not dissimilar to Dinosaur. I believe that used live action plates as well. Speaking of the latter, I didn't bring this up when you reviewed it, but I recall (in middle school) when it was about to be released, there was debate whether the dinosaurs would speak or not (I don't think it was initially made clear in marketing). I remember thinking if the dinosaurs did talk, it would just be another Land Before Time, but it wouldn't do will with kids if they didn't speak. Little did I know, it would skew VERY closely (almost too much) to that movie in terms of overall plot (searching for a lush, fertile valley).
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Post by Wyldstaar on Sept 8, 2017 19:50:10 GMT -5
Not planning to do anything with Don Bluth in the near future but never say never. Somewhere Out There was the original Let it Go. Man that song was everywhere growing up.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 8, 2017 20:05:13 GMT -5
We'll see how it turns out. I haven't bothered with the live action Beauty and the Beast (yet) because it basically looks redundant, but I did see some worth in the live action Jungle Book just because it was such a special effects showcase and it did some different things with the tone and TLK looks like it could be closer to the latter than the former. Yup. It'll essentially be done like TJB, but without humans (obviously). So, it's "technically" still live action. I guess it's not dissimilar to Dinosaur. I believe that used live action plates as well. Speaking of the latter, I didn't bring this up when you reviewed it, but I recall (in middle school) when it was about to be released, there was debate whether the dinosaurs would speak or not (I don't think it was initially made clear in marketing). I remember thinking if the dinosaurs did talk, it would just be another Land Before Time, but it wouldn't do will with kids if they didn't speak. Little did I know, it would skew VERY closely (almost too much) to that movie in terms of overall plot (searching for a lush, fertile valley). Well now he has to watch Land Before Time... and We're Back: A Dinosaur Story.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 8, 2017 21:18:49 GMT -5
The Top Twenty Musical Sequences in Disney History
For my first Disney countdown I’ll be looking at the songs in Disney movies. When I was younger I used to hold the musical sequences in Disney movies were an example of why they were stupid, but having looked back at them I realize that they were actually integral to the studio’s success and more often than not when they turned away from them they would begin to decline. For this list I will be looking at some of their best musical sequences. Note that I said “musical sequence” and not “song.” Song quality will be a big part of my evaluation but the visual component matters too. Extra points will be given to musical sequences that actually advance the plot or establish character. This will be a fairly personal list of songs that very specifically strike my fancy and I’m not afraid to kill of some sacred cows.
20. “Honor to Us All” from Mulan
Singers: Beth Fowler, Marni Nixon and Lea Salonga
Songwriters: Matthew Wilder and David Zippel
The most famous song from Mulan (we’ll get to that later) lays out traditional masculine stereotypes while the second most famous song from Mulan (second most famous to me anyway) focuses in on the traditional female stereotype. Sung while Mulan is being dolled up into marriage material by older family members, the sequence serves to show what is expected of Mulan by the society and also why she doesn’t fit in that role. The song itself takes in a lot of Eastern influence while still being a traditional showtune with a very strong melody.
19. “Can You Feel the Love Tonight” from The Lion King
Singers: Kristle Edwards, Joseph Williams, Sally Dworsky, Nathan Lane, and Ernie Sabella
Songwriters: Elton John and Tim Rice
“Can You Feel the Love Tonight” as sung by Elton John is an extremely famous Disney song which won an Oscar, a Golden Globe, and a Grammy while also being a major chart hit. Unfortunately that version of the song is only present during the film’s end credits, the version that’s actually performed in the movie is sung by various characters in the film and with different and more expository lyrics. The strength of the underlying song is still apparent though and the onscreen relationship montage between Simba and Nala that’s so well done that it kind of makes how rushed that relationship is still work.
18. “Why Should I Worry” from Oliver and Company
Singer: Billy Joel
Songwriters: Dan Hartman and Charlie Midnight
This one is kind of weird because it’s a very different kind of song than what Disney normally barters in. This isn’t a Broadway style showtune, it’s a top 40 ready pop song sung by a dude who was a superstar in music at the time. That is kind of surreal and the sound feels less like something that could plausibly recorded by someone on the street, so there’s less of a connect between visuals and audio. It’s also a pretty good example of this movie’s “attitude” problem. That having been said, the song is catchy, and the animation is fun, and it does do a pretty good job of establishing the character.
17. “Hellfire” from The Hunchback of Notre Damme
Singer: Tony Jay
Songwriters: Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz
Strictly as a song “Hellfire” is not necessarily a toe-tapper that I would want to listen to over and over again. Instead this song is being included here more for its function in the film and the general ballsyness of including something like this in a Disney movie at all. The song is an exploration of Frollo’s simultaneous hatred and lust for Esmerelda and how those two contradictory feelings collide within his repressed catholic mind. The scene uses fire and a metaphorical tribunal in Frollo’s head to really underscore this feeling and explain what the character’s motivations going forward are rooted in.
16. “Almost There” from The Princess and the Frog
Singer: Anika Noni Rose
Songwriter: Randy Newman
“Almost There” is clearly meant to be Tiana’s “I Wish” song, but its written for a very different kind of Disney protagonist who plans out and works to achieve her dreams rather than merely pondering and hoping for a miracle to make them happen. As such this is less a song about wishing and more a song about executing her dream of opening a restaurant. During the sequence the film transitions from its usual art style to a more stylized look based on the work of Harlem Renaissance painter Aaron Douglas and we see her conception of how she’ll manage this dream restaurant.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 9, 2017 9:15:26 GMT -5
I might have "Hellfire" higher. Good start though.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 9, 2017 11:38:24 GMT -5
I might have "Hellfire" higher. Good start though. Lion King should be higher too.
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15. “Shiny” from Moana
Singer: Jemaine Clement
Songwriters: Lin-Manuel Miranda and Mark Mancina
The sequence in the actual movie is a bit too busy and prone to interruption, but purely as a song “Shiny” is one of Disney’s greatest earworms. The song is sung by Flight of the Concords’ Jermaine Clement and expands on a David Bowie impression that Clement would do during his earlier comedy music career. The song is a full on glam rock take on a Disney song and sort of narrates a sequence in the movie where the heroes try to steal something from a flamboyant crab that wants to eat them.
14. "Colors of the Wind" from Pocahontas
Singer: Judy Kuhn
Songwriters: Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz
“Colors of the Wind” does share a lot of the problems of the movie it comes from, namely a sort of half-assed progressivism that’s way too proud of itself for acknowledging the humanity of Native Americans within the context of a movie that distorts history in some pretty disgusting ways to downplay their suffering at the hands of European settlers. It’s also far from an authentic representation of Powhatan religion and culture. “Blue Corn Moon” is not an actual idea taken from the Powhatan’s, in fact it’s an entirely meaningless thing invented by the songwriters because it scanned. Still, this is a centerpiece song from Alan Menken’s classic period and it’s sung very well by Judy Kuhn. Don’t think about it too hard and it does work.
13. "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" from Frozen
Singers: Kristen Bell, Agatha Lee Monn, and Katie Lopez
Songwriters: Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez
Most musical sequences in movies will maybe serve to develop a character or theme while ultimately being something of a digression, “Do You Wanna Build a Snowman” is a little different as it serves as a great example of how a song can be used to creatively get through what is essentially exposition and act as effective storytelling. Sung during a prolog of sorts as a series of moments where Anna tries to reach out to her sister Elsa, the sequence effectively sets up why the two are estranged and also takes care of some business about what happened to their parents.
12. “Friends on the Other Side” from The Princess and the Frog
Singer: Keith David
Songwriter: Randy Newman
One of Disney’s best villain songs, “Friends on the Other Side” is a song that Dr. Facilier sings when he brings the Prince and his valet to his voodoo emporium and sets his plan in motion. The song actually acts as great exposition, especially during the tarot reading. It makes clear the villain’s motivations and establishes his scheme while also doing a good job of describing the two supporting characters he’s talking to. The song does all this in effective rhyming verse and has a lot of neat visuals with Facilier’s voodoo powers rendered in interesting ways. Oh, and did I mention this was sung by Keith David? That alone counts for a lot.
11. “Under the Sea” from The Little Mermaid
Singers: Samuel E. Wright and Chorus
Songwriters: Alen Menken and Howard Ashman
Most of Disney’s more famous songs are either solo number or songs that play out over some animation conceits, but this one plays out a bit closer to the tradition of musical numbers in Golden Age Hollywood musicals or Broadway musicals in which a song breaks up and a whole chorus of extras just join in on the “fun” and a whole city block is suddenly singing and dancing. In this case it’s a whole ocean floor going along with Sebastian’s attempt to dissuade Arial from going to the surface. The resulting number is this fun and jaunty calypso number with some really dexterous lyrics by Howard Ashman.
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Post by Doomsday on Sept 10, 2017 10:42:31 GMT -5
Reading this thread has made it clear to me just how many Disney movies I haven't seen. One of these days I'll sit down and watch Mulan. One of these days.
I think Drac should watch all the live-action 90s Disney movies next. Mighty Ducks, Blank Check, Man of the House, Heavyweights, First Kid, The Big Green, my oh my that would make for quite the thread.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 12, 2017 17:13:53 GMT -5
10. “You’re Welcome” from Moana
Singer: Dwayne Johnson
Songwriter: Lin-Manuel Miranda
I can’t say that I ever thought I’d have anything nice to say which involved Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson singing showtunes, but what do you know, Disney proved me wrong. In the film the song is placed in a scene where Moana is about to yell at Maui for abandoning his people only to have Maui, arrogant ass that he is, just assume she’s there to thank him. The resulting song is funny insomuch as it’s this showcase of the character’s exaggerated ego, but there is also something kind of subversive about having a literal god becoming conceited because of his godly deeds. On top of that there’s also the joke that part of his motivation in singing it is revealed to be his plan to trap Moana and steal her boat.
9. “Kiss the Girl” from The Little Mermaid
Singers: Samuel E. Wright and chorus
Songwriters: Alan Menken and Howard Ashman
“Kiss the Girl” is sort of a G-rated equivalent to a seduction song in which Sebastian implores the prince to kiss Arial and thus break the curse she’s bound by. Samuel Wright’s singing has a deep bass to it that works well for the sort of song this is, but what really sets it apart is the arrangement with backup singers adding just the perfect touch to the song here and there like the “ya ya ya ya”s that come in after certain lines and the animators manage to have fish show up on cue to underscore those.
8. “Let it Go” from Frozen
Singer: Idina Menzel
Songwriters: Kristen Anderson-Lopez and Robert Lopez
Yeah, that song that got super-oversaturated a couple years ago as everyone and their mother made parodies of it. Look, despite the overplay it’s clear that this thing struck a chord for a reason. It’s weird, when I saw this scene a million times out of context before seeing the movie I kind of assumed it was supposed to be something of an origin story for a villainous ice witch or something. It really seems like she’s going through this dramatic transformation in letting out her inhibitions. What really probably set it over the top though is just the power of Idina Menzel’s voice and also perhaps just a hunger for this kind of Disney song after such a long time.
7. “Pink Elephants on Parade” from Dumbo
Singers: Mel Blanc, Thurl Ravenscroft, and The Sportsmen
Songwriters: Oliver Wallace and Ned Washington
This is a segment of Dumbo which occurs when Dumbo and his mouse friend start tripping balls and see some craaaaazy shit. It’s unlike anything from any other Disney movie and seems to have been heavy influenced by surrealists like Salvador Dali, who was very much still in vogue when this was made and actually worked with Walt Disney on another project that ended up being shelved. Even with that in mind it’s hard to imagine Disney taking this much of a weird left turn in this day in age. The song itself is in many ways just as weird as the visuals with it’s odd lyrics and maniacal laughs.
6. “The Circle of Life” from The Lion King
Singers: Lebo M., Carmen Twillie, and Chorus
Songwriters: Elton John and Tim Rice
“The Circle of Life” is not sung by onscreen characters and in some ways feels less like a musical number than a very good piece of scoring for this prologue thing, and that’s the one thing that kept me from putting it in the top five, but there is little doubt that this overall sequence is one of Disney’s finest moments. Starting with the rising sun and Lebo M’s powerful recitation of “Nants ingonyama bagithi baba” which is a Zulu lyric which translates to “there comes a lion” you know you’re witnessing some great filmmaking and in many ways it just gets more powerful from there.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 14, 2017 21:56:27 GMT -5
5. “Beauty and the Beast” from Beauty and the Beast
Singer: Angela Lansbury
Songwriters: Alan Menken and Howard Ashman
A pop version of this song, sung by Peabo Bryson and Celine Dion, became a legitimate hit when this movie came out, but the version in the actual movie is sung by “Murder She Wrote” herself Angela Lansbury as a teapot. The visuals of the sequence are also iconic with the two dancing in the ballroom and the yellow dress and the blue dress uniform. The CGI effects used in this scene haven’t aged perfectly but you do need to acknowledge that it would have looked really special when it came out.
4. “I Wanna Be Like You” from The Jungle Book
Singers: Louis Prima and Phil Harris
Songwriters: Robert and Richard Sherman
The Jungle Book was one of the first Disney movies to really engage in contemporary-ish pop culture and while it didn’t quite go so far as to include rock and roll (though it did try to get The Beatles to play the vultures) it did have a key scene revolve around a big band jazz number performed by a nightclub performer named Louis Prima. Voicing the “king of the swingers, the jungle V.I.P.” Prima really livens up the proceedings despite playing a somewhat villainous character. It’s such a jaunty piece that you don’t even mind how utterly stupid Baloo’s rescue plan is.
3. “I’ll Make a Man Out of You” from Mulan
Singer: Donny Osmond
Songwriters: Matthew Wilder and David Zippel
If “Honor to Us All” was about what was expected of Mulan as a woman then “I’ll Make a Man Out of You” is about what was expected of her as a “man.” Sung by a drill sergeant of sorts, the song is the backing track to and a narration of an epic training montage in which Mulan and the other men in the brigade go from being clumsy fools to being competent soldiers and over the course of the song we witness Mulan find ways to match up with the men despite some physical disadvantages. Beyond that though it’s just a song that’s great at delivering a couple of these epic choruses and Donny Osmund of all people really sells it.
2. “Part of Your World” from The Little Mermaid
Singer: Jodi Benson
Songwriters: Alen Menken and Howard Ashman
The ultimate “I wish” song, “Part of Your World” is a solo number sung by Ariel in her cave of shipwrecked trinkets in which she reveals to the audience exactly what it is that motivates her in the movie and why. Arial’s desire to live on the surface is likely meant to be an allegory for the teenage desire to break away from whatever humdrum environment they grew up in and make something of themselves. Were this not a fantasy movie one could easily imagine a version of this about a girl from a small town who dreams of traveling to New York to work on Broadway. If there’s a problem with it it’s that it establishes that a lot of Ariel’s ideas about the surface are a bit naïve and the movie that follows never really addresses what happens when these naïve ideals run up against the truth about the surface’s many imperfections. Still, let’s focus on the positive. Jodi Benson sings the song in this interestingly old fashioned style. Notice that through the whole song she drops the Gs in words ending in “ing” almost giving it this old New York moxie and the asides about not knowing certain words like “feet” is another cute touch.
1. "A Whole New World" from Aladdin
Singers: Brad Kane and Lea Salonga
Songwriters: Alan Menken and Tim Rice
I’m not sure if there’s a whole lot to say about “A Whole New World” as I think its qualities are pretty obvious. The duet between these two characters as they ride a magic carpet around the world fits perfectly within the film’s theme of these characters feeling unfulfilled in their lives and the whole thing makes sense as a seduction of sorts as Aladdin is offering Jasmine pretty much the only thing you can offer to someone who already has everything: adventure. I think what makes it work is that Brad Kane and Lea Salonga prove to have a lot of chemistry together and their youthful exuberance does shine through on the track. What sets it apart from something like “Part of Your World” is probably its universality. Where that other song is ultimately kind of tied to the plot of the movie it’s from this one could apply to a lot of situations. It gets played at weddings, it gets played at graduations, it gets played in commercials for Disneyland, it can stand in for any leap into the unknown.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Sept 15, 2017 17:24:35 GMT -5
To go back to Frozen for a bit, I just rediscovered this neat video on the tech behind the snow effects. The simulations are pretty darn realistic.
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Post by Jibbs on Sept 15, 2017 18:43:28 GMT -5
Nice list.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Sept 21, 2017 20:52:03 GMT -5
Will you be doing a Top 20 Disney Villains?
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Post by Dracula on Sept 21, 2017 21:13:56 GMT -5
Will you be doing a Top 20 Disney Villains? Not exactly, but I am doing the Top 15 Disney Villains 15. Commander Lyle Tiberius Rourke
From: Atlantis: The Lost Empire Voiced By: James Garner Probably not the most immediately obvious choices but I like Rourke for this list simply because he’s a bit different from the usual Disney villain. Rourke is closer to a common action movie antagonist, a mercenary who seems to be on our heroes side for much of the movie only to then change sides (in a twist that’s actually kind of surprising) and then try to screw him over. The guy seems a bit nastier than a lot of Disney villains and less cartoonish in his antagonism. You really truly get the impression that he’s willing to kill to get his way. 14. Percival McLeach From: The Rescuers Down Under Voiced by: George C. Scott If there’s a character on this list who’s primarily here because of a really enjoyable voice performance it’s probably this one. McLeach is not a very deep villain, he just really wants to kill animals because he’s greedy and evil and his methods and actions do not really make a whole lot of sense, but George C. Scott really elevates him with his gleefully evil performance and gives the character a strange sort of gravitas along the way. 13. Yokai
From: Big Hero 6 Voiced by: James Cromwell This guy really looks awesome. That black trench coat combined with that cook Kabuki mask is just the costume of a great supervillain and I would have been more than happy to see someone who looked like him as the heavy in a real superhero movie. I also like this guy’s powers and also ultimately like the reveal of who this guy was, but if I’m being honest he’s ultimately style over substance. In his masked villain form he doesn’t say a word and there really isn’t a whole lot to him in the long run, but man does he look cool. 12. Queen of Hearts From: Alice in Wonderland Voiced by: Verna Felton The Queen of Hearts is certainly one of the more delightfully unhinged villains in Disney history and her zeal in removing heads is certainly entertaining and I like the way everyone in her court lives in constant fear of her. She would probably be higher on the list but she’s really not in the movie a whole lot and only really becomes an antagonist pretty late in the proceedings and even then mostly just seems like one more weird thing to deal with rather than a truly dangerous foe. 11. Professor Rattigan From: The Great Mouse Detective Voiced By: Vincent Price This would be another villain who is largely defined by the celebrity voice actor they managed to bring in: in this case that was Vincent price. On his own Rattigan is a fun villain but one who kind of fits the description of a James Bond villain like Blofeld or something and a lot of his impact is slightly diminished by comedy. I do, however, like how he becomes increasingly ferel during the film’s climactic fight sequence on Big Ben.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 23, 2017 16:53:10 GMT -5
10. Doris
From: Meet the Robinsons Voiced By: N/A One of the better parts of a not great movie, Doris is a robotic bowler hat that was invented to be an aid to people but was discontinued after it became clear that it was taking over the minds of those who wore it. At this point the hat escaped, took over the mind of someone with a grudge against its inventor, and went back in time in an attempt to both sabatoge the inventor and also get itself mass produced in the past in order to take over the minds of many and take over the world. Doris benefits from being a rather sinister element in an otherwise lighthearted movie and frankly there’s just something I find amusing about a major Disney movie having an evil hat as its villain. 9. Maleficent
From: Sleeping Beauty Voiced By: Eleanor Audley Maleficent is not exactly the deepest of villains, in fact she’s basically just pure evil and has little in the way of plausible motivation for said evil, but she does it with style. She’s got a particularly dope villain lair castle, she has some really cool animation effects employed to depict her powers, and she can turn into a fucking dragon. A classic. 8. Dr. Facilier From: The Princess and the Frog Voiced By: Keith David Dr. Facilier doesn’t necessarily look wildly intimidating in his base form, in part because he wants to seem somewhat approachable in order to trap people, but once he brings in his “friends on the other side” he becomes a bit more scary. He has this neat trick where his shadows have a mind of their own ala Bram Stoker’s Dracula, and he also proves to be fairly ruthless by the end. Also he’s voiced by Keith David, how cool is that? 7. Cruella De Vil From: One Hundred and One Dalmatians Voiced by: Betty Lou Gerson Cruella is proof that a Disney villain need not be a sorceress to be an evil bitch. She doesn’t have any special powers and her evil scheme really doesn’t make all that much sense if you think about it, but she still makes it to the list just because she is so deliciously ornery. I mean her name is a play on “cruel devil,” you’ve got to wonder why anyone would have been stupid enough to trust her in the first place really. Also she smokes in a really evil way, just such an awful person. 6. Scar From: The Lion King Voiced by: Jeremy Irons While a lot of Disney villains seem to be evil just for the sake of it, with Scar you see more of the motivation. Like Claudius before him he’s someone who wants the throne, most likely out of a sense of overwhelming jealousy. You can tell he’s been kicked to the curb a few times too many while paragon of integrity Mufasa got all the love and adoration. This has made him hang out with societies outcasts (the hyenas) and plot and scheme. He’s notably one of the few Disney villains to successfully murder someone and not have them come back to life at the end. I might have re-designed him to be more of a manipulator than someone so obviously evil, but still, good work.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Sept 23, 2017 18:42:17 GMT -5
With the live action Lion King probably aiming to look realistic, I wonder if they will still use Scar's darker fur, which to my understanding does not occur with real lions.
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Post by Neverending on Sept 23, 2017 18:48:37 GMT -5
With the live action Lion King probably aiming to look realistic, I wonder if they will still use Scar's darker fur, which to my understanding does not occur with real lions. He just needs to be anorexic.
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Post by Dracula on Sept 25, 2017 18:18:52 GMT -5
5. Ursula
From: The Little Mermaid Voiced by: Pat Carroll Certainly one of the more knowingly campy villains in Disney’s history, Ursula is a marine twist on the figure of the wicked witch. Making her a sort of mer-octopus was really clever and the human side of her is also… strange. The animators reportedly drew inspiration from Divine, the cross dresser from the John Waters movies, in designing her and this was an interesting choice to say the least. 4. Shere Khan
From: The Jungle Book Voiced by: George Sanders Shere Khan actually doesn’t really have all that much screen time in The Jungle Book. He’s one of those characters you hear a whole lot about and have built up in your head long before he shows up and then when he finally does appear the movie subverts your expectations but not making him the snarling heavy you’re expecting but more of an effete British aristocrat who is so confident in his place as the king of the jungle that he doesn’t need to show off his strength. Sanders really kills it in the recording booth and makes this guy really memorable as a result. 3. Jafar
From: Aladdin Voiced by: Jonathan Freeman Jafar seems to have been modeled after Maleficent what with his black getup, bird sidekick, and affinity for serpentine creatures (in his case cobras instead of dragons). He is, however, a more involved character than Maleficent, in part because he got as far as he did by gaining the sultan’s trust rather than hiding off in some far away castle cursing children. He’s a really well designed characters and the moments in the finale where he turns himself into a giant cobra and a genie respectively are really cool. 2. Queen/Witch
From: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Voiced by: Lucille La Verne The original evil sorceress, and possibly the best. She’s certainly the best part of the film she’s in and in many ways we get two great villains for the price of one here. As an evil queen this lady is interesting in her icy demeanor and general vanity as well as her conversations with her mirror. As a witch she’s like the platonic ideal of what a wicked witch in a fairy tale is supposed to be like and she even predates the witch from the Wizard of Oz by two years. 1. Judge Claude Frollo
From: The Hunchback of Notre Dame Voiced by: Tony Jay Not even close, and in many ways it’s almost unfair that this guy is even competing in the same race as the rest of these guys. Drawing from Victor Hugo’s original novel but adapting the character in a number of ways, this is easily Disney’s most complex villains in that he truly thinks he’s doing the right thing while behaving in ways that are plainly evil. Through the character Disney tackles the dangers of religious fanaticism as well as the psychology of someone who hates a woman because of his secret lust for her. That Disney managed of make a villain this deep is really something special.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Sept 26, 2017 17:17:47 GMT -5
Had a feeling Frollo would top the list.
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Post by PG Cooper on Sept 26, 2017 18:37:03 GMT -5
Frollo is easily the best. Shere Khan would probably be in my top three. I like his regal demeanor and George Sanders' voice work is great.
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Post by EdReedFan20 on Sept 26, 2017 22:21:08 GMT -5
Frollo is easily the best. Honestly, because of him, I'd love to see Disney do a live action version of the movie... with one change. Make the gargoyles coming to life a figment of Quasimodo's imagination due to the sheer loneliness of the bell tower and needing friends to talk to. Maybe allow us the see them "respond", but not with the comic relief they were in the movie.
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