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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 12, 2019 15:43:12 GMT -5
at the end of the day it's just a lot of fun watching two great characters run circles around each other while vying for the affection of a Queen. This is what it came down to for me too. I'm sure you can perform all manner of analysis peeling back the layers of manipulation at play at how it speaks to gendered norms and power dynamics, but more simply I just had a great time watching these characters try to outwith each other. It was honestly some of the most fun I had at the movies in 2018.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 12, 2019 19:50:45 GMT -5
The more The Favourite sits with me, the more I just don't like it. Look, I'm all for different and unique movies, but it's the ones like The Favourite that don't sit right with me. Ones where it's basically just two hours of the director going, "I'm an arteest!" and thinking that's enough. It's not. I sat there largely unmoved by what I was seeing and while I could appreciate the acting, some of the humor and style, it just continually kept me at arms' length while getting more and more pretentious.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 12, 2019 20:04:53 GMT -5
The more The Favourite sits with me, the more I just don't like it. Look, I'm all for different and unique movies, but it's the ones like The Favourite that don't sit right with me. Ones where it's basically just two hours of the director going, "I'm an arteest!" and thinking that's enough. It's not. I sat there largely unmoved by what I was seeing and while I could appreciate the acting, some of the humor and style, it just continually kept me at arms' length while getting more and more pretentious. I can see why you didn't like it, but I don't see it as self-indulgent or pretentious. It's certainly off-kilter, but it's also a sexy, vulgar, and hilarious romp that can be enjoyed just for its juicy performances and power dynamics. Obviously I like the movie a lot so that makes that reading easier, but I honestly don't see that sense of snobbery you see.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 12, 2019 20:42:55 GMT -5
The more The Favourite sits with me, the more I just don't like it. Look, I'm all for different and unique movies, but it's the ones like The Favourite that don't sit right with me. Ones where it's basically just two hours of the director going, "I'm an arteest!" and thinking that's enough. It's not. I sat there largely unmoved by what I was seeing and while I could appreciate the acting, some of the humor and style, it just continually kept me at arms' length while getting more and more pretentious. I can see why you didn't like it, but I don't see it as self-indulgent or pretentious. It's certainly off-kilter, but it's also a sexy, vulgar, and hilarious romp that can be enjoyed just for its juicy performances and power dynamics. Obviously I like the movie a lot so that makes that reading easier, but I honestly don't see that sense of snobbery you see. But that was the thing for me -- it struck me as off-kilter to the point of being self-indulgent. Clearly, Lanthimos has his own style, but this didn't strike me as a film that was enhanced by or necessarily needed it. Granted, it didn't annoy me nearly to the degree that Sorry To Bother You did, but this was one of those instances where the director got in the way of his own movie.
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Post by PG Cooper on Feb 12, 2019 20:48:40 GMT -5
But that was the thing for me -- it struck me as off-kilter to the point of being self-indulgent. Clearly, Lanthimos has his own style, but this didn't strike me as a film that was enhanced by or necessarily needed it. Granted, it didn't annoy me nearly to the degree that Sorry To Bother You did, but this was one of those instances where the director got in the way of his own movie. To paraphrase Colin Farrell's Bullseye: Necessary? No, but it was fun. Those aspects you describe as self-indulgent are precisely what separates this from the humdrum costume dramas Doomsday alluded to in his intro. It's that devilish streak of perverse pleasure that makes the film so much more lively and modern.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Feb 12, 2019 21:11:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying this movie would've been any better with a more straightforward approach, just that the approach we got did absolutely nothing to enhance the story for me. Again, I wasn't brought in by either the story or characters themselves, neither did the majority of the humor land for me. So adding this weird style on top of that didn't do this movie any favors for me.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 13, 2019 15:26:15 GMT -5
I think you disliked the movie for the reasons that I enjoyed it. Ah well, variety is the spice of life.
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 19, 2019 19:18:43 GMT -5
I was able to round out Roma and Green Book this weekend. First....
Roma
Here it is, the Best Picture frontrunner that's making people question whether we've taken another leap forward in the streaming revolution. Alfonso Cuaron's slow-burning drama is a bit of a step in the other direction from his last Oscar-winning film Gravity but it has every bit of passion and skill behind it that people would expect from a Best Picture-nominated film but don't always see, even among the movies that win. It's the kind of movie that cinephiles wait all year to see and while I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a definite lock for Oscar gold it's the kind of movie that I think people will be talking about a few years from now which as far as I'm concerned is a much greater prize.
In a way you could say that Roma is more of a 'day in the life' kind of film in that it features Cleo, a housekeeper for a prominent professor and his family, as she faces an uncertain future with an unexpected pregnancy while taking care of a family wracked with turmoil, all set against the backdrop of civil unrest in Mexico. On its face you see the story of a woman going it alone and finding comfort in the family she has grown to love and protect. The direction here is what brings the film to the forefront of this years' great filmmaking (the Best Screenplay nod might be overdoing it a little) and it's hard to imaging another filmmaker other than Alfonso Cuaron bringing the same touch to the story. Not that I'm an expert in Cuaron's style but I do know though that much of this is based on his life in Mexico and there are details here that transcend shooting what's on a script page.
Roma is a movie that I appreciate more than I enjoyed. It's certainly a study in patient, vivid filmmaking and I'm sure it's a movie that will be featured in film schools in the future with students pouring over all aspects from framing to editing to lighting to you name it. It's a very beautiful film to watch and you can tell that the attention to detail in each frame was meticulous. That doesn't mean it's a movie that I want to watch again anytime soon because I don't, but it is a movie that demonstrates that there are still filmmakers who want to make something from the heart and that want to push the medium forward, even if using Netflix as a vehicle to do so.
As far as Oscar predictions go, I'm not sure if I would peg this as a Best Picture frontrunner. First, it's a foreign language film and to date no foreign language film has ever won Best Picture as I'm sure most of you know. Second, there is a not-so-small and not-so-silent contingent of filmmakers who have a beef with the whole notion of movies premiering on streaming platforms. Chief among them is Steven Spielberg who has gone on the record more than once saying how he doesn't think that movies that premiere on streaming services like Netflix should even qualify for awards consideration. I know, Roma was released in a few theaters so it could qualify but a vast majority of its audience caught it in their living rooms or on their phones. Third, even for Academy voters this movie might be a little too high brow. Nowadays Best Picture winners are easy to digest, pretty mainstream and don't have the musk of an indie arthouse feature and the lack of a direct narrative might turn some of the voters off. While it's certainly a prestige picture by a great filmmaker I wouldn't call Roma a shoe-in for Best Picture glory. Granted it could very well win but those things considered I'm not too sure. I have no idea what would win otherwise, if it's Green Book then I think I'll finally wash my hands of the Oscars once and for all, but I think it's really up in the air at this point.
B+ so says Doomsday, while not my favorite film I think it warrants a spot on any list due to its craft alone
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Post by Doomsday on Feb 21, 2019 21:23:43 GMT -5
Green Book
Like many others that have come before it, Green Book is one of those movies that has fallen victim to its own reputation. Upon its release it was met with a ton of praise and called 'moving,' 'powerful,' and 'important.' The hype train started rolling and with it so did the backlash. People began to say that it's approach to racism is antiquated and takes a big step back. People say that the stereotypes are offensive and that we've evolved from these kinds of movies long ago. So which is it? Is it a deeply stirring story? Or are we watching this generation's Birth of a Nation (the Griffith one that is)?
The story is pretty simple and you can probably figure it out just by looking at the poster; Viggo Mortensen plays Tony Lip, a bouncer at the popular Copacabana and someone who is trying to make a name for himself with the local mob figures. There's all of two short scenes dedicated to this. When the Copa closes for repairs he takes a job as a driver for Dr. Don Shirley (Mahershala Ali), an African American piano virtuoso. He's on a tour of the Deep South and needs someone who can drive and perhaps be some muscle if need be. Tony takes the job despite the fact that he may be a little racist. We know because some black guys were fixing his floor, his wife offered them a drink then Tony threw the glasses away when they left. On the road though Tony and Dr. Shirley learn some things about each other. What those things are still have me scratching my head.
Before I go on, I'll mention that I'm not usually one to let public opinion sway my enjoyment of a movie. After the rave reviews came out I saw some hot takes about how it actually sends all the wrong messages about race. I have to say that Green Book certainly sends some messages and they aren't really the ones I was expecting. For one, the movie seems more concerned with pointing out stereotypes than commenting on racism. Not only is there the now infamous scene where Tony tells Dr. Shirley about fried chicken, the 'food of his people,' he also exposes him to Little Richard, Aretha Franklin and jazz. A major theme of the movie was basically telling a sophisticated black guy how to be more black. And what does Tony get out of the whole thing? Not much. It's vaguely established that he may or may not have a problem with African Americans (remember he threw the glasses away) but by and large he's an Italian stereotype and Dr. Shirley teaches him more about diction than he does about race relations. When the racial divide does rear its head it's mostly Tony telling Shirley 'just because you're black doesn't mean you can judge me either.' Another theme that's kind of touched upon is the role reversal. There's a scene where the car breaks down and Tony gets under the hood and takes care of business while Shirley calmly and comfortably sits in the back seat...all in plain view of a bunch of other African Americans working in a field. Role reversal, am I right? I think the main problem isn't that the wrong messages were being sent, it's that it couldn't decide on what they were trying to say. It couldn't even decide on what the characters wanted to be. There's a throw away scene where Tony 'saves' Shirley from being arrested after he was caught hooking up with another man in a shower. Why was this scene here? To show that Tony is progressive about race AND homosexuality? And it's never mentioned again so what's the point? There's a lot of stuff here that's lightly touched upon and the movie never goes full speed in any one direction.
Green Book isn't a terrible movie but it's one that could have used a lot of polish. Unfortunately I think a lot of people gave it great marks while patting themselves on the back because racism is bad. There are many other movies that address racism in more powerful and direct ways but at the same time I can understand why people would like this easy to swallow and oftentimes humorous movie. It's a movie that you'd watch with your grandparents who never watch movies all that much while telling you how much they like Victor Morganson. Green Book is a movie with good intentions but it's too muddled to really make an impact. I seriously still don't know the main point it was trying to make.
B- so says Doomsday, I wouldn't put it in my top 10 but it's a movie whose appeal I can understand even if I don't agree with it.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 4, 2019 15:15:49 GMT -5
As the year comes to a close we're seeing every film society around the globe throwing out their lists of what they think was king. I usually don't put much stock in said lists but they're pretty fun to read nonetheless. Like last year, I'm going to go down the list of AFI's Top 10 films of 2019 and share my thoughts. I've scratched off what I've already seen and will continue as I go down the list.
AFI Motion Pictures of the Year
1917
The Farewell
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Knives Out
Little Women
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Richard Jewell
Special Award
Parasite
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Post by Neverending on Dec 4, 2019 15:22:38 GMT -5
AFI Motion Pictures of the Year
1917 The Farewell
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Knives Out Little Women Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood Richard Jewell
Special Award Parasite
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 4, 2019 15:27:16 GMT -5
Marriage Story drops on Friday and The Farewell is available to rent, hopefully we can both knock those out on the quick.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 4, 2019 15:31:22 GMT -5
Marriage Story drops on Friday and The Farewell is available to rent, hopefully we can both knock those out on the quick. Might be the first time I watch all these movies before Oscar nominations are even announced. Unless there’s a dark horse waiting to derail us. Oh... it’s gonna be that Waves movie. It’s always A24.
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Post by donny on Dec 4, 2019 15:38:42 GMT -5
AFI Motion Pictures of the Year
1917
The Farewell
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Knives Out
Little Women
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Richard Jewell
Special Award
Parasite
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 4, 2019 15:45:30 GMT -5
AFI Motion Pictures of the Year
1917
The Farewell
The Irishman
Jojo Rabbit
Joker
Knives Out
Little Women
Marriage Story
Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
Richard Jewell
Special Award
Parasite
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Post by Dracula on Dec 4, 2019 15:58:47 GMT -5
Having seen all of them except Richard Jewel and Lil' Women it's a pretty good list as far as these things go, worst thing on it is probably Knives Out and even that is fun.
EDIT Oh wait, JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 4, 2019 16:05:47 GMT -5
Marriage Story drops on Friday and The Farewell is available to rent, hopefully we can both knock those out on the quick. Might be the first time I watch all these movies before Oscar nominations are even announced. Unless there’s a dark horse waiting to derail us. Oh... it’s gonna be that Waves movie. It’s always A24. Waves isn't going to be nominated, that movie is going to be... polarizing, or maybe just ignored.
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Post by Neverending on Dec 4, 2019 16:25:39 GMT -5
JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 4, 2019 16:40:14 GMT -5
Having seen all of them except Richard Jewel and Lil' Women it's a pretty good list as far as these things go, worst thing on it is probably Knives Out and even that is fun. EDIT Oh wait, JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad. Even 1917?
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Post by Dracula on Dec 4, 2019 16:46:51 GMT -5
Having seen all of them except Richard Jewel and Lil' Women it's a pretty good list as far as these things go, worst thing on it is probably Knives Out and even that is fun. EDIT Oh wait, JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad. Even 1917? Yeah, got into a preview screening. It's really well made but a bit hollow, basically Gravity but in WWI.
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Post by PhantomKnight on Dec 4, 2019 17:01:00 GMT -5
EDIT Oh wait, JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad.
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Post by IanTheCool on Dec 4, 2019 17:13:00 GMT -5
I haven't seen Special Award yet. Looking forward to it though.
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Post by PG Cooper on Dec 4, 2019 17:17:19 GMT -5
EDIT Oh wait, JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad. That awful show does not help your case.
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Post by Doomsday on Dec 4, 2019 17:33:01 GMT -5
I haven't seen Special Award yet. Looking forward to it though.
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Post by Dracula on Dec 4, 2019 18:03:12 GMT -5
EDIT Oh wait, JoJo Rabbit is on it, that's worse than Knives Out, but at least it's not Green Book levels of bad.
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