Dracula
CS! Gold
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 26,102
Likes: 5,731
Location:
Member is Online
|
Post by Dracula on Aug 5, 2017 18:17:05 GMT -5
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Aug 6, 2017 15:24:15 GMT -5
I just watched Sopranos a few months back, I'm trying to convince the lady to watch from the beginning. It's one of the few shows I'd be happy to sit down and watch again.
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Aug 8, 2017 15:19:21 GMT -5
Miami Vice (2006)
Miami Vice is Michael Mann's film based on his television show from the 1980s. With this update gone are the flashy suits and signature 80s flare that Mann used to full effect in his projects of that time period. Now we're into the gritty digital era of filmmaking, one lacking any humor or emotion. If you want to see some cool shootouts and boats go really fast then this movie's for you. If you want something that might give you any sense of excitement, suspense or intrigue you might want to look elsewhere. Miami Vice stars Jamie Foxx as Ricardo Tubbs and Colin Farrell as Sonny Crockett. I had to look up the names to make sure because it was tough for me to remember just hours after finishing the movie. Mann has always walked that line of 'style over substance' and sometimes there's a great combination of both. Miami Vice is not it. It's totally devoid of any character development. It's sole focus is on these two cops who go undercover in order to infiltrate a drug ring. Sounds pretty simple right? Then why is the movie so convoluted? Throughout the movie it seemed to be almost trying to be as confusing as possible as if it made it more intelligent than it really is. At its core it's a movie where two cops go undercover until they eventually get betrayed by the guys they're trying to bring down. The movie is loaded with a ton of police jargon and terminology which usually adds to the effect of Mann's films however sometimes it can add to the confusion like it does here. It seems as if Mann wanted to make an 'adult' crime movie but someone convinced him that he can't have a clear-cut story or interesting characters, it has to play out like you know what's going on. One thing I've always admired about Mann movies for the most part is that they eschew any tired cinematic tropes and are as realistic as possible. Sometimes this is to the detriment of any character development especially with any female characters as I stated in earlier reviews. Miami Vice drops you right into the middle of things almost assuming that you know who these characters are. The reason it's so important however is because without anyone to care about on screen the tension is flat when it's finally presented. That's Miami Vice in a nutshell. There's a lot going on and there are even a few pretty cool action sequences but it doesn't mean anything when we know and care so little about anybody. Again I want to say to Michael Mann 'just because a character has sex with someone doesn't automatically equal chemistry.' What made Collateral and Heat so fresh and energetic weren't that they had cool shootouts, it's because they were cool characters who were in cool shootouts. It didn't take a whole ton of dialogue but we knew enough about Max that we were invested. Heat is all about characters and how their lives are connected. Miami Vice is textbook style over substance, something that could have been fun had it just followed some Filmmaking 101 basics and made people that we knew. I also have a personal gripe with Colin Farrell as Crockett. There was a time where I despised him more than just about anyone else making movies. My anger has tempered the past few years and I've seen him in some really good roles but here is one where they really should have cast something else. Jamie Foxx seems natural while you can tell Farrell is trying so, so hard. His scratchy, gruff voice is unnatural and his constant shouting of dialogue made me wonder if he even knew what the scenes were about some of the time. It's maybe the first time that I would say someone in a Michael Mann movie was really miscast. Miami Vice is another misfire for Michael Mann. It's strange after watching his movies again that although I still consider him one of my favorite filmmakers (I plan to do this with another filmmaker after finishing Blackhat) it's becoming more obvious that he has as many mediocre films as he does great and exciting ones. The guy is in his mid-seventies and makes a movie roughly once every five years or so. Lets hope that he has one or two more good ones in him before he hangs it up. I mean look at what George Miller just did at his age. Miami Vice is the other bad example of TV-to-Movie adaptations. Instead of mockery, it goes ultra serious and also loses what made the show a success. I just finished watching the pilot (or TV movie) of Miami Vice and it's basically the 48 Hours / Lethal Weapon formula. You take two cops from opposite ends and pair them up in a story about drug dealers and revenge. What made the show standout was its Miami location and the use of Billboard Top 40 songs in the soundtrack. Outside of that, it stuck very closely to the formula. If you're gonna make a movie just make Lethal Weapon in Miami. It's not rocket science. If you want to Nolanize it, just do what Sicario did. Use the formula but cut out the humor.
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Aug 12, 2017 11:51:20 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography Bringing Out The Dead (1999)
View count: Second time The first thing that came to mind while watching Bringing Out The Dead was that it revisits certain styles and themes that hadn't been seen in a Scorsese movie in a good, long while. In fact you could say this is Scorsese's 1990s companion piece to Taxi Driver. It makes sense given that the movie was written by Paul Schrader who wrote or co-wrote Taxi Driver, Raging Bull and The Last Temptation of Christ. Like those films Bringing Out The Dead once again explores redemption, salvation and meaning. It revolves around heavily flawed characters interacting with the obscene and loathsome world in which they inhabit. We watch as these characters reach the breaking points that we invariably know are bound to come. It's an intense, often uncomfortable film that makes you hope that places like this don't exist. It's a tone and feel that Scorsese spent thirty years perfecting up to this point and while much of it seems all too familiar it's also difficult to look away. We open with long, slow shots of the back alleys of New York City. Like Taxi Driver, it paints an unflattering picture of the filth of New York. Drug dealers, prostitutes, assaults, graffiti, everything that Travis Bickle described as 'the dogs, the filth, the shit.' Bringing Out The Dead however gives us a character who feels the effects of the streets of New York but absorbs them in an entirely different way. Nicolas Cage plays Frank, an ambulance driver suffering from alcoholism, insomnia, and the ghost of a young girl whom he was unable to save as she lay dying. In the meantime he's bombarded with the turbulence of his job, constantly responding to the same overdoses, crazies and junkies. His hospital is perpetually overcrowded with the same sad and abused faces, the staff is often times indifferent, and he's even more weighed down by the fact that he hasn't saved anyone's life while pulling them back from the brink in months. While on a call he responds to a man whose heart has stopped. Frank builds a connection with the man's daughter (Patricia Arquette) who introduces him to a wandering drug addict, Noel (Marc Anthony). Frank knows that his job is destroying him but soon finds meaning and purpose in reaching and and helping these new people in his life who have given him a reason for being. Much more so than other Scorsese movies as of late, this is a slow, deep burn. It wasn't until I digested it for a little while that I really was able to come away with a deeper appreciation for it. The comparison to Taxi Driver is obvious but also very worth noting. Travis is deeply affected by the streets and finally lashes out violently against those he sees as the manifestation of the filth he despises. Frank is also subjected to these horrors, naturally in an ambulance rather than a cab, and while he internalizes it similarly the response is much more compassionate and natural to his character. Frank is juxtaposed with the characters he's partnered with on each night of his weekend shift. His first partner Larry (John Goodman), who while good at his job is also apathetic and self-focused, continuously asking himself what he should have to eat. Marcus (Ving Rhames) is paired with him the following night. Marcus is happy, flirtatious with the dispatcher, he's constantly invoking Jesus and is portrayed as the exact opposite of Frank. It's on this night where we see Frank at his lowest. While responding to a call they find a woman giving birth to twins despite the fact that the woman claims she's still a virgin. Marcus brings a healthy baby to the hospital while the one Frank cares for dies despite his best efforts to save him, reenforcing Frank's anxiety at his inability to save those he aims to help. He's finally partnered with Tom (Tom Sizemore), a crazy driver who attempts to kill Noel. These minor characters each propel Frank down his path in their own way. You could probably even compare them to angels and devils on his shoulder, pushing and goading him through the muck and debris until he finally reaches the end of his long, dark weekend. Considering that I'm pretty familiar with Scorsese's subsequent filmography I know that he hasn't gone down this path of filmmaking since. The style and themes that he once again touched on here haven't really been revisited which I suppose is both good and bad. It's good in that this has left him to focus on other works that, while they don't seem as personal and certainly aren't as deep as Taxi Driver or Bringing Out The Dead, certainly carry some artistic and cinematic weight. It's also unfortunate because a film like this is the exact type that's in Scorsese's wheelhouse. It feels raw, driven and blends that tone with both moral ambiguity as well as a desire for redemption. Bringing Out The Dead isn't a movie I appreciated when I first saw it many years ago and to be honest it's one that didn't hit me until I let it sink in. Nowadays this movie is rather unappreciated which I think is a little unfair. While it's not breaking a whole lot of new ground it still accomplishes what it sets out to do and then some.
|
|
Dracula
CS! Gold
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 26,102
Likes: 5,731
Location:
Member is Online
|
Post by Dracula on Aug 12, 2017 12:45:15 GMT -5
To some extent, you can see a lot of unofficial trilogies in Scorsese's career.
There's the "unhinged guy in New York" trilogy (Taxi Driver, The King of Comedy, and Bringing Out the Dead)
The "voice over crime narrative" trilogy (Goodfellas, Casino, and The Wolf of Wall Street)
The "religion" trilogy (Last Temptation, Kundun, Silence)
And if I want to stretch a bit you could also come up with
The "experimental genre movie" trilogy (NY NY, After Hours, Shutter Island)
The "commercial remake" trilogy (The Color of Money, Cape Fear, The Departed)
and the as of yet unfinished "tortured famous person biopic" trilogy (Raging Bull, The Aviator, and the third would have been that Frank Sinatra biopic he couldn't get the rights to)
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Aug 12, 2017 22:55:09 GMT -5
I think The Irishman will fit into the 'voice over crime narrative' category nicely, fingers crossed.
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Aug 16, 2017 13:18:59 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography Gangs of New York (2002)
View count: Several times Gangs of New York can probably be considered the inaugural installment of the 'modern' era of Scorsese filmmaking. It's his first movie of the new millennium. It's the first of a series of movies featuring his most recent key player, Leonardo DiCaprio. It marks a return to the large, prestige, borderline awards-baitey movie that he has yet to really stray from since. It signals the start of a continuous line of films that, while I might not entirely agree on all points, have for the most part been met with unanimous praise and solidified his reputation as one of Hollywood's most consistently entertaining and quality filmmakers for the past 5 decades. As for Gangs of New York though, I first saw it in theaters in the winter of 2002. It was my first theatrical go at a Martin Scorsese movie and while I enjoyed it and was at an age where you're supposed to like everything there were still things that rubbed me the wrong way. I've watched it many times since and I admit my opinions on the movie have fluctuated. When sitting down to watch it again for the first time in a few years there was only one initial question I wanted to answer; does it hold up? The answer is a little bit of yes, a little more no. When Gangs of New York was released it was looked at as a 'return to form' for Scorsese. His past two films had been bombs at the box office and it had already been the better part of a decade since Casino. It was also an opportunity for Leonardo DiCaprio to shake off the Titanic/The Beach/teen heartthrob label and establish himself as a serious actor. It was a good vehicle for both; a savage, violent gangster(ish) movie set in the mid-1800s slums of New York. Cameron Diaz lent a hand as DiCaprio's love interest and there were some other good turns from actors such as John C. Reilly and the always too brief role by Liam Neeson. The most memorable, talked-about performance though came from Daniel Day Lewis as Bill The Butcher Cutting. He's as patriotic as he is bloodthirsty and DDL holds himself back at the perfect moments while unleashing himself when the movie calls for it. What's funny is that while his performance is the most standout of the movie there are other performances in his career that stand above it. That speaks more to his talents than his performance in the film but like other villainous characters in movies from the 2000s it helps give Gangs of New York the extra fuel it needs. I'm speaking pretty highly of the performances because they're appropriate for the tone that the movie sets. That tone is stylish and makes the movie go at a good pace, but it doesn't work on every front. Earlier I said that some things still worked in Gangs of New York while others did not. The things that work are those surface level elements that tease your senses. It's entertaining, it's fun to look at, it's an almost three-hour movie that seems like it goes by in half the time. What doesn't hold up is how the movie really feels. The first thing that comes to mind after watching Gangs of New York is that it's the Scorsese movie that most feels like a cartoon. Everything seems exaggerated, colors seems blown out and by the time you reach the anti-climax with one of the worst CGI elephants ever put to film it seems like a movie that finally threw off the yoke off taking itself seriously. As entertaining as Bill the Butcher is to watch he's not a serious character. He's a racist with a glass eye who kills people in public, is a literal butcher who coincidentally has the last name Cutting, and is an expert knife thrower. He almost seems like a comic book villain rather than the antagonist in a period drama. In an effort to make the streets of New York seem as chaotic as possible every setting, every alley, every building, every social gathering has people fighting. It seems like all but a handful of scenes incorporate someone punching somebody else in the face. Scorsese's longtime editor, Thelma Schoonmaker, also adds her touch throughout the film with the quick, jarring cuts that are meant to heighten the suspense and emphasize that raw, gritty feel. It's used to such effect in this film however that it's almost distracting. The opening scene is a battle with the American-born Natives vs. the Irish immigrant Dead Rabbits. What could have been used as a bloody set-up to a long gestating journey of vengeance instead feels chopped and forcefully stylized as they try to give a scene set in the 1840s a modern-day Scorsese feel. What once looked pretty cool in 2002 now seems out of place, dated and dare I say it, cheesy. The more I watched of Gangs of New York, the more I felt this same feeling wash over me. Thematically you could say that Gangs of New York is simply a revenge movie. You wouldn't be wrong as the entire movie revolves around DiCaprio's Amsterdam seeking revenge against The Butcher. This story is set against the backdrop of a pretty turbulent time in American history, right in the thick of the Civil War. Bill's Natives spend their days harassing Irish immigrants just coming off the boats with Cutting even saying if he had the guns 'he would shoot every one before they step foot on American soil.' The movie features the conniving Boss Tweed and the corruption of Tammany Hall while they seek votes from the most recent citizens to arrive and finally reaches the New York draft riots where racial tensions, and tensions between the gangs, boil over. It was interesting seeing the story play out in the way that it does, with one group of immigrants set against clearly racist Natives 'born right-wise' and worthy of the rights they wish to deny to the Irish. The juxtaposition between the gangs and the political turmoil in New York works better than I think it should have and that's owed to a script that I think deserves more credit than I initially gave it. It's interesting if not a little scary that there are shades of that conflict in our present American society right down to the fights between rival groups but if there's one thing you can count on America doing it's learning the same lessons a couple times over. Gangs of New York isn't without its merits. The performances are great, the set design is unique and vibrant even if a bit overblown, and it really tries to stand apart as a film. Nevertheless my reservations that I had before watching again seemed to be confirmed. For a movie that tries to be a fiery period piece a lot of the grit has translated into camp over the past 15 years. Like I said, it seems like a movie that seems like it's trying its best to be gritty and violent rather than just being gritty and violent. The movie was nominated for 10 Oscars for the year it was released. In hindsight it seems silly that this movie received such high esteem. If you take a step back though and look at it as a crime movie in and of itself what you're left with is a good film and, what's more important, it works.
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Aug 16, 2017 14:39:13 GMT -5
I said this in 2002 and I'll say it again in 2017. Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese should have switched movies. Spielberg should have done Gangs of New York as one of his Oscar bait prestige movies and Martin Scorsese should have done Catch Me If You Can as a light crime film in the vein of King of Comedy. He could have cast Robert De Niro in the Tom Hanks role and had it feel like a passing of the torch. The end of the De Niro era and the start of the DiCaprio era. I know that sounds crazy and Dracula is sharpening his butcher knives but Spielberg and Scorsese had switched movies in the past. Spielberg was supposed to direct Cape Fear and Scorsese was supposed to direct Schindler's List. I shit you not. Better heads prevailed and they switched. Although, in typical Spielberg fashion, he squeezed in Hook and Jurassic Park before tackling Schindler's List so Gangs of New York may not have been a 2002 movie under Spielberg. Whatever. Point is... Catch Me If You Can would have been better for Scorsese. I know he wanted to make Gangs of New York in the 70's with Robert De Niro but that would have been an entirely different movie. 70's Scorsese is not 2000's Scorsese and Leonardo Di Caprio is not 70's Robert De Niro.
|
|
PG Cooper
CS! Silver
Join Date: Feb 2009
And those who tasted the bite of his sword named him...The DOOM Slayer
Posts: 16,647
Likes: 4,062
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 22:27:20 GMT -5
|
Post by PG Cooper on Aug 16, 2017 15:31:26 GMT -5
I said this in 2002 and I'll say it again in 2017. Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese should have switched movies. Spielberg should have done Gangs of New York as one of his Oscar bait prestige movies and Martin Scorsese should have done Catch Me If You Can as a light crime film in the vein of King of Comedy. He could have cast Robert De Niro in the Tom Hanks role and had it feel like a passing of the torch. The end of the De Niro era and the start of the DiCaprio era. I know that sounds crazy and Dracula is sharpening his butcher knives but Spielberg and Scorsese had switched movies in the past. Spielberg was supposed to direct Cape Fear and Scorsese was supposed to direct Schindler's List. I shit you not. Better heads prevailed and they switched. Although, in typical Spielberg fashion, he squeezed in Hook and Jurassic Park before tackling Schindler's List so Gangs of New York may not have been a 2002 movie under Spielberg. Whatever. Point is... Catch Me If You Can would have been better for Scorsese. I know he wanted to make Gangs of New York in the 70's with Robert De Niro but that would have been an entirely different movie. 70's Scorsese is not 2000's Scorsese and Leonardo Di Caprio is not 70's Robert De Niro. I do think that would have been interesting, but given how much of a passion project Gangs was for Scorsese, I don't see him letting it go.
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Aug 16, 2017 15:57:03 GMT -5
I can't see Spielberg making Gangs of New York. I can easily see Scorsese doing Catch Me If You Can but keep Spielberg from GONY. His R-rated fare is more serious/realistic and I don't think the plot or subject matter would have been able to handle the standard dollop of Spielberg melodrama.
|
|
Dracula
CS! Gold
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 26,102
Likes: 5,731
Location:
Member is Online
|
Post by Dracula on Aug 16, 2017 15:58:46 GMT -5
I said this in 2002 and I'll say it again in 2017. Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese should have switched movies. Spielberg should have done Gangs of New York as one of his Oscar bait prestige movies and Martin Scorsese should have done Catch Me If You Can as a light crime film in the vein of King of Comedy. He could have cast Robert De Niro in the Tom Hanks role and had it feel like a passing of the torch. The end of the De Niro era and the start of the DiCaprio era. I know that sounds crazy and Dracula is sharpening his butcher knives but Spielberg and Scorsese had switched movies in the past. Spielberg was supposed to direct Cape Fear and Scorsese was supposed to direct Schindler's List. I shit you not. Better heads prevailed and they switched. Although, in typical Spielberg fashion, he squeezed in Hook and Jurassic Park before tackling Schindler's List so Gangs of New York may not have been a 2002 movie under Spielberg. Whatever. Point is... Catch Me If You Can would have been better for Scorsese. I know he wanted to make Gangs of New York in the 70's with Robert De Niro but that would have been an entirely different movie. 70's Scorsese is not 2000's Scorsese and Leonardo Di Caprio is not 70's Robert De Niro. I'm not following. GONY has problems but I don't see how an injection of Spielberg's sentimentality is the cure and New York sectionalism and crime doesn't strike me as a theme that would jump out for him. As for CMIYC... that movie's fine as is.
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Aug 16, 2017 17:07:54 GMT -5
I can't see Spielberg making Gangs of New York. Your criticism is that Gangs is too cartoon-y. That would have been solved by Spielberg because his focus wouldn't have been on the revenge story. He would have centered on the white-on-white crime. As a Jew, he would have related a lot more to that than Scorsese who grew up sheltered in an Italian neighborhood. That's why Scorsese put so much effort into the silly revenge story. That's what he connected to. It's like Tarantino and Django. That was a cartoon too. That was MY criticism towards that movie. Compare that to Blazing Saddles which hit at the root of discrimination. That was made by Mel Brooks, a Jew, who understood the material.
|
|
Deexan
CS! Silver
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 18,196
Likes: 2,995
Location:
Last Online Nov 13, 2021 19:23:59 GMT -5
|
Post by Deexan on Aug 18, 2017 20:23:42 GMT -5
Day-Lewis wouldn't have done the movie if Spielberg was directing, surely.
And fuck tha haters - Bill the Butcher is one of the most memorable characters of the 00s and DDL is mesmerising in the role.
He blew me away.
DiCaprio, as much as I love him, was made to look an amateur in comparison.
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Aug 18, 2017 20:25:23 GMT -5
Day-Lewis wouldn't have done the movie if Spielberg was directing, surely. If Spielberg directed he may have won the Oscar
|
|
Deexan
CS! Silver
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 18,196
Likes: 2,995
Location:
Last Online Nov 13, 2021 19:23:59 GMT -5
|
Post by Deexan on Aug 18, 2017 20:30:37 GMT -5
Who did?
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Aug 18, 2017 20:36:19 GMT -5
|
|
Dracula
CS! Gold
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 26,102
Likes: 5,731
Location:
Member is Online
|
Post by Dracula on Aug 18, 2017 20:38:53 GMT -5
Adrian Brody for The Pianist. There was probably vote splitting that year between him, Day-Lewis, Jack Nicholson for About Schmit, and Nicholas Cage for his double role in Adaptation.
|
|
Deexan
CS! Silver
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 18,196
Likes: 2,995
Location:
Last Online Nov 13, 2021 19:23:59 GMT -5
|
Post by Deexan on Aug 18, 2017 20:46:13 GMT -5
You went too American. But I like jokes so I like it.
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Sept 1, 2017 13:20:09 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography The Aviator (2004)
View count: Three or four times The biography of Howard Hughes is a fascinating story that people have been chomping at the bit to tell for decades. He was a filmmaker, aviator, billionaire, and famously a recluse with many a tall tale attributed to him. Also attributed to him are the numerous attempts to tell his story on the big screen. Warren Beatty, Michael Mann and Brian DePalma are among the long list of filmmakers who attempted to get his story off the ground (no pun) with varying degrees of success. Martin Scorsese's The Aviator is the most renowned and well-known biography of the American icon and touches on most of the elements that defined Howard Hughes; wealth, celebrity, and his obsessive compulsive nature. Rather than make a run of the mill biopic which would have been easy and highly marketable, Scorsese uses those elements to make an engaging and often uncomfortable biography through some of his most tumultuous years. The end result is one of Scorsese's best films with one of his best performers giving the performance of his career. The Aviator can be considered a tribute to Hughes, to the modern pioneers of aviation, to old Hollywood and to the titans who helped build them. The film opens in the late 1920s with Howard Hughes in his early twenties and in command of the fortune and company left to him by his parents. He controls the largest private air force in the world as he films his movie Hell's Angels, a production seemingly without end. At long last, upon completion at a then-record setting cost, he meets Katharine Hepburn (Cate Blanchett in an Oscar-winning role) who supports Howard as he breaks aviation records, buys control of TWA and grows his aspirations for success. The outbreak of World War II earns him government contracts to built the massive Hercules 'flying boats' and spy planes whose timeframes fall victim to Howard's OCD and ultimately the war's end. Howard finally finds himself in a final fight against Pan-Am as they seek a legal monopoly over international flights putting TWA out of business. The effects each of these events has on Howard has far reaching consequences, from his personal relationships with Hollywood starlets to his management of his companies. The accomplishments of Hughes the icon can be contrasted with his descent into illness; as he conquers Congress and finally gets his Spruce Goose airborne he descends lower into his illness that would haunt him to the end of his life. Like Raging Bull and Kundun, The Aviator is another pass at the biopic for Scorsese. The Aviator might be a little more in Scorsese's wheelhouse in terms of subject matter; a successful, ambitious person in the eye of Hollywood looking to cement a legacy and constantly chasing recognition, esteem and a chance to leave a lasting mark. By this point in Scorsese's career he was in his early sixties. Film had changed from when he was a young, hungry director making a name for himself with Taxi Driver and Mean Streets. His last few attempts had either failed (Bringing Out The Dead, Kundun) or been glossed over by the film community when it came time for recognition (Gangs of New York). In a few ways The Aviator seemed like a safe bet in terms of securing both financial and critical success. Biopics are usually critical darlings and Scorsese would be teaming up again with Leonardo DiCaprio, an actor whose star was streaking ever higher with Gangs of New York and Spielberg's Catch Me If You Can under his belt. I'm not the biggest fan of the biopic or the set formula that almost all of them go by but that's because most of them follow a fairly clear-cut character arc. A character is introduced, they establish themselves, they fall almost to complete failure, they pick themselves up and the movie ends. Usually a love interest is thrown in there too. The Aviator does much of this but does it in segments while showing that while Howard Hughes is a successful person he's also not terribly relatable. He's a very flawed character, not because of his OCD but because of the illusion that he has to have it all, whether it's a world record, women, money or just acceptance. It makes for a very engaging experience because we constantly want to know how it will work out for him. It gives us a character-propelled movie where you can't predict how Hughes will fare, an achievement for a movie that sits in the most predictable of genres. Naturally The Aviator was another prestige picture released by Scorsese in his quest for Oscar glory. The film was given a healthy serving of Oscar nominations in the same year that Clint Eastwood's Million Dollar Baby was in the running. The early to mid-2000s was a little comeback of sorts for both filmmakers. After a few years of less than successful movies Scorsese released Gangs of New York, The Aviator and The Departed to much acclaim. Eastwood also entered the new millennium with Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby and his World War II duo Flags of Our Fathers and the much superior Letters from Iwo Jima. Many regard Mystic River as one of the best movie's of Eastwood's career and was also a major contender at the 2004 Academy Awards. While it picked up some acting awards for Sean Penn and Tim Robbins, it was steamrolled by the Return of the King juggernaut that would tie the Oscar record. Eastwood's follow-up the next year, Million Dollar Baby, was given the Best Director/Best Picture Oscars over The Aviator that in a way might have been a makeup for Mystic River losing the previous year, much to the dismay of Martin Scorsese and The Aviator. I always looked at those few years as ones where Oscar politics were massively in play especially because I think a lot of people consider The Aviator to be a better movie than Million Dollar Baby. After all, when was the last time anyone sat down to watch Million Dollar Baby? Then again, the history of cinema is replete with films that were snubbed by the Oscars and many would contend that it's an honor that's not to be taken that seriously anyways. You could also say that the movie that finally did garner Scorsese Oscar gold, The Departed, is his lesser achievement that was given to him to make up for his more deserving movie that was passed over, but more on that when we get there. In short, The Aviator was, in my opinion, a victim of Oscar politics where voters tried to award people and not necessarily cinematic achievement. Many of the wins felt like they were making up for something else and a lot of times that meant better movies fell victim to films that might not have been as good. After watching The Aviator again I think it brings more to the table than Million Dollar Baby and probably did deserve it more but at the same time it doesn't diminish the quality of Scorsese's and DiCaprio's work. I think it might be safe to say that The Aviator is Martin Scorsese's master achievement of that decade. I know some would disagree and say that his follow-up gangster film would hold that title but I would have to disagree and I'll share those points when we get there (I watched both films back to back). But back to The Aviator, it's a film that really shouldn't have been as good as it is. The transitions from Howard Hughes producing films, pioneering the industry of aviation and standing up to Congressional hearings while battling a condition that wasn't even understood at the time are tied together seamlessly with few hard stops to bring us into the next chapter of his life. Martin Scorsese gave us the Howard Hughes biopic that so many filmmakers have tried to put on screen for so many years. I think it will have to take something very, very special to top this.
|
|
Dracula
CS! Gold
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 26,102
Likes: 5,731
Location:
Member is Online
|
Post by Dracula on Sept 1, 2017 13:38:02 GMT -5
Naturally The Aviator was another prestige picture released by Scorsese in his quest for Oscar glory. The film was given a healthy serving of Oscar nominations in the same year that Clint Eastwood's Million Dollar Baby was in the running. The early to mid-2000s was a little comeback of sorts for both filmmakers. After a few years of less than successful movies Scorsese released Gangs of New York, The Aviator and The Departed to much acclaim. Eastwood also entered the new millennium with Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby and his World War II duo Flags of Our Fathers and the much superior Letters from Iwo Jima. Many regard Mystic River as one of the best movie's of Eastwood's career and was also a major contender at the 2004 Academy Awards. While it picked up some acting awards for Sean Penn and Tim Robbins, it was steamrolled by the Return of the King juggernaut that would tie the Oscar record. Eastwood's follow-up the next year, Million Dollar Baby, was given the Best Director/Best Picture Oscars over The Aviator that in a way might have been a makeup for Mystic River losing the previous year, much to the dismay of Martin Scorsese and The Aviator. I always looked at those few years as ones where Oscar politics were massively in play especially because I think a lot of people consider The Aviator to be a better movie than Million Dollar Baby. After all, when was the last time anyone sat down to watch Million Dollar Baby? Then again, the history of cinema is replete with films that were snubbed by the Oscars and many would contend that it's an honor that's not to be taken that seriously anyways. You could also say that the movie that finally did garner Scorsese Oscar gold, The Departed, is his lesser achievement that was given to him to make up for his more deserving movie that was passed over, but more on that when we get there. In short, The Aviator was, in my opinion, a victim of Oscar politics where voters tried to award people and not necessarily cinematic achievement. Many of the wins felt like they were making up for something else and a lot of times that meant better movies fell victim to films that might not have been as good. After watching The Aviator again I think it brings more to the table than Million Dollar Baby and probably did deserve it more but at the same time it doesn't diminish the quality of Scorsese's and DiCaprio's work. Nah man, the Oscars certainly have political elements to them but they're not as political as people make them out to be. Eastwood had already won for Unforgiven and no one thought he was more "overdue" than Scorsese. He won that year because Million Dollar Baby made the voters cry and The Aviator didn't. The Departed wasn't (entirely) a make up award either, it was just the more fun and better liked of the five nominees that year. No one in their right mind was giving a Best Picture to Little Miss Sunshine or The Queen, Babel was divisive, and Letters From Iwo Jima was dark, depressing, and had subtitles. The Departed won by default.
Please for the love of god go into your essay on The Departed without the chip on your shoulder about Oscars.
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Sept 1, 2017 16:29:40 GMT -5
Shrek 2 is the best movie of 2004. Where is its Best Picture Oscar?
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Sept 4, 2017 15:02:53 GMT -5
Naturally The Aviator was another prestige picture released by Scorsese in his quest for Oscar glory. The film was given a healthy serving of Oscar nominations in the same year that Clint Eastwood's Million Dollar Baby was in the running. The early to mid-2000s was a little comeback of sorts for both filmmakers. After a few years of less than successful movies Scorsese released Gangs of New York, The Aviator and The Departed to much acclaim. Eastwood also entered the new millennium with Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby and his World War II duo Flags of Our Fathers and the much superior Letters from Iwo Jima. Many regard Mystic River as one of the best movie's of Eastwood's career and was also a major contender at the 2004 Academy Awards. While it picked up some acting awards for Sean Penn and Tim Robbins, it was steamrolled by the Return of the King juggernaut that would tie the Oscar record. Eastwood's follow-up the next year, Million Dollar Baby, was given the Best Director/Best Picture Oscars over The Aviator that in a way might have been a makeup for Mystic River losing the previous year, much to the dismay of Martin Scorsese and The Aviator. I always looked at those few years as ones where Oscar politics were massively in play especially because I think a lot of people consider The Aviator to be a better movie than Million Dollar Baby. After all, when was the last time anyone sat down to watch Million Dollar Baby? Then again, the history of cinema is replete with films that were snubbed by the Oscars and many would contend that it's an honor that's not to be taken that seriously anyways. You could also say that the movie that finally did garner Scorsese Oscar gold, The Departed, is his lesser achievement that was given to him to make up for his more deserving movie that was passed over, but more on that when we get there. In short, The Aviator was, in my opinion, a victim of Oscar politics where voters tried to award people and not necessarily cinematic achievement. Many of the wins felt like they were making up for something else and a lot of times that meant better movies fell victim to films that might not have been as good. After watching The Aviator again I think it brings more to the table than Million Dollar Baby and probably did deserve it more but at the same time it doesn't diminish the quality of Scorsese's and DiCaprio's work. Nah man, the Oscars certainly have political elements to them but they're not as political as people make them out to be. Eastwood had already won for Unforgiven and no one thought he was more "overdue" than Scorsese. He won that year because Million Dollar Baby made the voters cry and The Aviator didn't. The Departed wasn't (entirely) a make up award either, it was just the more fun and better liked of the five nominees that year. No one in their right mind was giving a Best Picture to Little Miss Sunshine or The Queen, Babel was divisive, and Letters From Iwo Jima was dark, depressing, and had subtitles. The Departed won by default.
Please for the love of god go into your essay on The Departed without the chip on your shoulder about Oscars.
I always considered the Million Dollar Baby win to be more of a make-up for Mystic River rather than Eastwood being overdue. It's really the only way I can see that movie beating The Aviator especially since Scorsese was overdue and it would have been a great movie to finally dish it to him. But that's just the impression I came away with. As for The Departed, it's something I'll address but I keep the fact that it won separate from my praise/criticisms of the movie.
|
|
Doomsday
Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 23,299
Likes: 6,764
Location:
Last Online Nov 23, 2024 1:57:06 GMT -5
|
Post by Doomsday on Sept 4, 2017 15:04:31 GMT -5
Shrek 2 is the best movie of 2004. Where is its Best Picture Oscar? The scene of Ariel being eaten by the sharks deserved it's own Oscar.
|
|
Dracula
CS! Gold
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 26,102
Likes: 5,731
Location:
Member is Online
|
Post by Dracula on Sept 4, 2017 16:54:21 GMT -5
Nah man, the Oscars certainly have political elements to them but they're not as political as people make them out to be. Eastwood had already won for Unforgiven and no one thought he was more "overdue" than Scorsese. He won that year because Million Dollar Baby made the voters cry and The Aviator didn't. The Departed wasn't (entirely) a make up award either, it was just the more fun and better liked of the five nominees that year. No one in their right mind was giving a Best Picture to Little Miss Sunshine or The Queen, Babel was divisive, and Letters From Iwo Jima was dark, depressing, and had subtitles. The Departed won by default.
Please for the love of god go into your essay on The Departed without the chip on your shoulder about Oscars.
I always considered the Million Dollar Baby win to be more of a make-up for Mystic River rather than Eastwood being overdue. It's really the only way I can see that movie beating The Aviator especially since Scorsese was overdue and it would have been a great movie to finally dish it to him. But that's just the impression I came away with. Nah, I was there (well, not there there, but I was reading the internet at the time. The Aviator was respected and liked to some extent at the time, but for whatever reason there were a lot of biopics coming out that year (Ray, Finding Neverland, Hotel Rwanda) and there was a sort of backlash against them for being "Oscar-bait" and The Aviator kind of got caught up in that. Meanwhile Million Dollar Baby came out real late in the year and was kind of a surprise that a lot of people found very emotional. That's how it won. People think Academy voters are super calculating, and they can be when it comes to some of the acting categories, but with Best Picture they usually just vote for whatever movie feels like the best movie in their old rich person middlebrow eyes.
|
|
Neverending
CS! Platinum
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 65,773
Likes: 8,648
Location:
Last Online Nov 22, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
|
Post by Neverending on Sept 4, 2017 23:58:39 GMT -5
Doomsday DraculaWe were all there. I would resurrect the old Oscar thread if I could. Doomsday and I championed Passion of the Christ. I know. I know. We were young and dumb. I'm sure you were jerking off to Kill Bill 2. Come Oscar time, the movie everyone championed for was Sideways. It's funny how everyone forgot about Sideways but it was a big deal at the time. Million Dollar Baby was always the expected winner. I don't think anyone seriously thought The Aviator would win. Or any movie for that matter. The nominees that year were kinda ridiculous.
|
|