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Post by Neverending on Mar 26, 2017 20:42:26 GMT -5
I've seen clips of Russell Crowe shitting on DeNiro but hadn't heard of James Woods doing it. Granted, Russell Crowe probably shits on everybody.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 26, 2017 23:36:50 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography The King of Comedy (1983)
View count: Fourth or fifth time, give or takeThere's a scene in Taxi Driver where Travis walks into the campaign office of Senator Palatine and angrily confronts Betsy in what becomes a very awkward exchange. You feel sorry and embarrassed for Travis while thinking 'I can't believe he's doing this.' That feeling of discomfort is the feeling you have throughout the entirety of The King of Comedy. It's a dark 'comedy' about a struggling stand up comedian whose persistence knows no bounds. He lies, deceives and ultimately kidnaps all in pursuit of his dreams. He's a darkly tragic and delusional character to the point where you really can't imagine or expect what he will do next. It's what could make The King of Comedy a subject of some great discussion; is it just a weird film or is it secretly, genuinely brilliant? Robert DeNiro stars as Rupert Pupkin (can you think of a more perfect name for this character?) in his fifth performance in a Martin Scorsese movie. He's a man with a dream to become a famous comedian and talk show host just like his idol Jerry Langford (Jerry Lewis who performs his character as the straight man through the entire movie) and desperately tries to get Jerry, a huge celebrity, to give him a shot. Jerry of course couldn't care less but Rupert is convinced that Langford sees greatness in him. Following several awkward exchanges where Rupert sneaks his way into Langford's limo, stalks him at his network office and even drops by his home, Rupert finally decides to kidnap Langford and threatens to kill him unless he can perform his routine on the Jerry Langford show. Rupert is a cartoon character amongst a city of normal people, the sole exception being a fellow obsessed fan and fellow kidnapper played by Sandra Bernhard. When Rupert isn't out in the real world he's in his basement rehearsing. He's not rehearsing his routine, he's having fake conversations with Langford. He's pretending to be a guest on Langford's talk show. He's pretending to talk to the cardboard audience that he set up in his basement to resemble an actual studio. When he isn't living in his fantasy world he goes about convincing people that he knows Jerry and that he's going to be a big star. He's already convinced himself of the same things and has such conviction to his delusions that it's easy for other people around him to follow along. Again, Rupert is anything if persistent and the ending of the film shows that persistence is key as Rupert finds himself banking off the kidnapping and performance, finding fame and fortune as an author and performer. The culmination of the entire movie is Rupert finally opening for the Jerry Langford Show. It's actually a pretty incredible scene for a couple reasons. First, the jokes that Rupert performs are terrible although that would be expected. The second is that Robert DeNiro really hams it up and it's amazing to watch. If you love comedy as much as I do you'll see that DeNiro was really trying to be as awful of a comedian as he could be and he's great at it. Being the method actor he is, I wouldn't be surprised if he went to local stand-up shows and open mics to get a grasp as to what really makes a bad comedian. Rupert is unnatural, his delivery is forced, his energy is much too high, he pauses and telegraphs his punchlines. He's the epitome of a hack and DeNiro nails it. What's also funny about Rupert's act is that throughout the movie you see him fantasize about being friends with Langford but you don't see anything in the way of actual comedy. When he shows up to the network office to talk about getting a spot on the Langford show he doesn't even have material. He has to go home and record a tape of jokes he had written down. It's likely that Rupert had never even performed comedy up to that point, he was only obsessed with the idea of being a somebody in a crowd of nobodies. Maybe Rupert and Travis have more in common than I thought. The movie itself wasn't a hit. In fact it was a dud at the box office and it's not hard to see why. For a movie titled 'The King of Comedy' there isn't much in the way of comedy yet it's hard to really work it into any other genre. Ultimately you could describe it as a dark comedy but there's little to no actual humor other than some physical gags like Langford being tied up in a mountain of duct tape or DeNiro dropping his gun while abducting Langford, a funny scene which looked like an accident more than anything and was fortunately kept in the movie. The rest of the film consists of that awkward embarrassment and tension that you feel for a character. It's one thing to feel that in your gut during a certain scene or two in a film but it almost becomes hard to watch when it's throughout the whole movie. Still, this is a movie that I do have a certain appreciation for and I really admire the characters and performances that were made here. I can't think of another movie that's similar to The King of Comedy in terms of tone and execution and that's probably because nobody would try to emulate it. It may not be Scorsese's best film and it won't be the one he's remembered for but it's just as ambitious as anything else he had done up to that point, but like many dark and offbeat jokes it just might have gone over everyones heads.
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Post by thebtskink on Mar 27, 2017 10:06:16 GMT -5
There's nothing comics like more than watching another comic fail. It's like watching a car crash, you can't look away.
I'm convinced that DeNiro and Scorsese had this in mind when making The King of Comedy. It's car crash humor for stand up comics.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 27, 2017 13:27:25 GMT -5
That's a good way to put it, it's like looking at a car crash. Then the car catches on fire. Then the people inside the car burn up. Then coyotes come to lick the bones. Then a nuclear explosion.
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Post by Doomsday on Mar 31, 2017 14:11:31 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography After Hours (1985)
View count: First timeThis movie is perplexing to say the least. Taken at face value it's a wacky, strange film about a guy named Paul who meets a girl at a diner, goes to her apartment and a night of terrible happenings ensue. The thing is, I'm not sure how else to take it if not at face value. I don't really think it's meant to be taken otherwise. It's a movie that's more focused on the experiences that Paul has to endure while meeting a wide array of characters. Paul doesn't have an arc, there isn't some huge revelation nor is there any purpose or reason for Paul to go through some shift in order to justify whatever journey he's on. It's Paul and a load of bad luck. That isn't a bad thing though, after all it's not trying to incorporate any of that into the film. It's a movie that's stylistically impressive, it's definitely a product of its 80s time period and certainly isn't boring, it just does what it sets out to do. Many of us have had one of 'those nights' where things take a sharp, often dark turn from where we wanted to be. For Paul, it begins as just another night at his local diner. There he meets a girl named Marcy who gives him her phone number. He quickly calls her and she invites him over. He meets Marcy's roommate Kiki, a goth type who is working on a paper mache sculpture. Paul quickly realizes that Marcy might not be everything he imagined and soon leaves. Thus begins his journey of trying to get home, complete with suicide, angry mobs, thieves, kidnappings, being witness to a murder, ice cream trucks and worst of all, raised subway fares. It's a night that pushes Paul to limits that he didn't even know he had. Like The King of Comedy, After Hours is probably best classified as a 'dark comedy' and like the other movie it's hard to pin down exactly where the comedy lies. I suppose the humor is strictly situational as the movie doesn't contain traditional jokes or dialogue that help make it memorable. In fact it doesn't have much of anything that could be labeled as 'funny.' Instead it's a running gag of bad luck for Paul. Not just bad luck, it's a web of interconnected events that play off each other in a warped, cosmic cause and effect execution that convinces Paul that this night will be the end of him. It's a very unconventional comedy on the heels of another unconventional comedy for Scorsese. My thoughts on the movie might seem a bit scatterbrained and that's because they are. I'm not entirely sure where to come down on this movie because I'm trying to find a point to it when I know there really isn't one. So much is happening to Paul as he tries to make it home that you want to sympathize with him. You want to root for Paul especially as the tension builds but it's hard. It's hard because you don't know Paul. You don't know why he's a word processor (his day job), why he doesn't like it, you don't know what else he wants in life and you don't know what he did to deserve the worst night in the history of bad nights. The movie hinges on the crazy circumstances where Paul finds himself and in that sense it works well but even then it starts to feel like a series of events rather than a complete narrative. I had a good time watching After Hours and it's certainly a movie I'll revisit and reconsider, I just wish it gave me more to latch onto.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 1, 2017 0:18:02 GMT -5
Doomsday is under selling this movie
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 1, 2017 18:30:53 GMT -5
Well maybe I'll oversell The Color of Money and it'll be a wash.
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And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography The Color of Money (1986)
View count: Several timesIf you were to ask me 'which film from the 1960s deserves a sequel set 25 years down the road' I'm not sure The Hustler would have been my first pick. While a good film, I probably wouldn't have thought that Eddie Felson would be a guy I would like to catch up with a quarter-century later. Nevertheless, The Hustler Part 2 would indeed come our way. The Color of Money would bring Paul Newman back as Fast Eddie Felson, this time taking a young, hot-headed pool shark Vincent under his wing. It garnered pretty good reviews upon its release and once again garnered an Oscar for an actor in a Scorsese movie. Over time it seems that it might have been lost in the shuffle and is acknowledged as clearly inferior to The Hustler however I think The Color of Money is a movie that lives in its predecessor's shadow but also manages to stand apart and on its own. Eddie Felson (Paul Newman), formerly 'Fast' Eddie Felson, gave a run at big time pool in his youth but after learning some hard lessons hung up his cue. Now a successful liquor salesman with a steady girlfriend he makes a pretty good living for himself until he hears the 'sledgehammer break' of Vincent (Tom Cruise). He sets up a dinner with Vincent and his squeeze Carmen (Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio) where he offers to take Vincent on the road to teach him what he knows about pool hustling, a trip which will culminate in the side rooms of the Atlantic City 9-ball tournament. They hit the road and the former pool pro becomes the teacher and is finally forced to face the crossroads of his own life years past his prime. It sounds pretty straight forward on paper and in many ways it is however Scorsese gives it his own touches when the film most needs them. Much of the film is dialogue-driven until we reach the pool halls. That's when the tracking shots, the lightning fast cuts and 720 pans around the pool tables are added to great effect. In many ways The Color of Money is the probably least 'Scorsese' movie up to this point in his career in that it's not a terribly challenging, thought-provoking or unique film but it does add to the character of Fast Eddie without falling into the lazy filmmaking traps a lesser director might have sought out. As a companion piece to my Scorsese watching I've also been reading 'Scorsese by Ebert.' It's a collection of original reviews as well as 'reconsiderations' that Ebert wrote years after the initial publications. It's obvious fairly quickly that Ebert has a definite soft spot for Scorsese, giving hefty amounts of praise even to the more flawed works like Boxcar Bertha and New York, New York. Although he doesn't outright pan The Color of Money it's clear that he wasn't much of a fan with one of his main criticisms being that rather than have a new, original chapter to the Eddie Felson character the story is relegated to the teacher/student dynamic that we've seen time and again. I read his review before rewatching the movie and it gave me a new thought to consider while doing so. I would have to say that I only half agree. Yes, there isn't a whole lot of substance or foundation to the Felson and Vincent partnership. Yes, some of the cliches are front and center almost to a fault. You can only watch Vincent do the opposite of what Eddie tells him so many times before it becomes predictable. And of course it culminates (sort of) with an Eddie vs. Vincent 9-ball showdown in Atlantic City. I do admire The Color of Money however because it doesn't completely go down that well-paved and well-travelled road. There's never any real animosity or jealousy between the two as you might expect. Instead the movie turns when Eddie is himself taken by a young pool hustler played by Forrest Whitaker. Eddie being taken is the second 'spark' for his character, the first finding Vincent and wanting to take him on the road to teach him the art of the hustle. Now is when the movie focuses on Eddie and his push to make something of himself, to rediscover his meaning and to once again be a great pool player. Once in Atlantic City he meets Vincent in a bar and sees that he and Carmen have nearly perfected their hustling skills. The movie ends with Eddie and Vincent finally having their game but ends on Eddie breaking the rack. You don't see them play, you just know they do. Think the end of Rocky III with the last shot of Rocky and Apollo. Ebert in his review thinks that we should have seen the game play out but I don't really think that's the point. The point is simply Eddie's last line of the movie, 'I'm back!' It's not the most polished execution but Eddie finds himself back in the game, the place he was meant to be all along. The Color of Money is a simple and frankly unnecessary movie. I still don't think that Fast Eddie Felson was a character that needed revisiting but here we are with a sequel that really could have been a whole lot worse. I think under a less skilled filmmaker The Color of Money would have been just as cliched and formulaic as it seems and you can see that formula rearing its head any chance it gets. Scorsese however stops it from falling short and instead gives us a movie that I think is better than it had any right to be.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 4, 2017 16:12:12 GMT -5
I used to write a lot of stupid one-line reviews at IMDb, back in the 90's when they used to allow such shenanigans. My "review" for The Color of Money was... "Although lacking the cultural significance of Michael Jackson's Bad, The Color of Money proves to be Martin Scorsese's greatest achievement in music videos."
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 4, 2017 16:17:48 GMT -5
I was THIS close to posting that scene. I had the link in the body of the post then thought 'nah.'
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Post by Neverending on Apr 4, 2017 16:22:30 GMT -5
I was THIS close to posting that scene. I had the link in the body of the post then thought 'nah.' Tom Cruise played the greatest douchebag on film. Crazy to think this movie came out the same year as Top Gun. What range!
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Post by Dracula on Apr 4, 2017 20:23:26 GMT -5
I'm with Ebert. As an individual movie Color of Money is fine I guess, but as a sequel to The Hustler it's inferior and as a Scorsese movie it's bullshit. You can tell Scorsese just made this because he thought he was in some deep shit after some bombs and needed to make a commercial picture to keep his career going.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 4, 2017 21:51:49 GMT -5
I'm with Ebert. As an individual movie Color of Money is fine I guess, but as a sequel to The Hustler it's inferior and as a Scorsese movie it's bullshit. You can tell Scorsese just made this because he thought he was in some deep shit after some bombs and needed to make a commercial picture to keep his career going. 1. The Departed (2006) - $174 million 2. Cape Fear (1991) - $163 million 3. The Aviator (2004) - $139.3 million 4. Shutter Island (2010) - $139.2 million 5. The Wolf of Wall Street (2013) - $126 million 6. The Color of Money (1986) - $121 million7. Taxi Driver (1976) - $112.7 million 8. Gangs of New York (2002) - $112.6 million 9. Goodfellas (1990) - $95.8 million 10. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974) - $86 million Marty has never been a box office darling. Studios make his movies cause they respect his work. If he made The Color of Money it's because King of Comedy and After Hours weren't exactly Taxi Driver and Raging Bull.
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 12, 2017 16:11:53 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography The Last Temptation of Christ (1988)
View count: First timePerhaps Martin Scorsese's most controversial film and one of the most controversial movies ever made, The Last Temptation of Christ seeks to show a side of Jesus that isn't found in any other popular retelling of his life story, at least as far as I know. Growing up in a Catholic Christian household I've had my share of King of Kings, Jesus of Nazareth and The Greatest Story Ever Told viewings. The one thing that every other Jesus film has in common, including the recent Passion of the Christ, is that Jesus is portrayed as the 'perfect' and God-like figure, performing miracles and playing out the events of the Gospels with little or no second guessing. He's calm, loving, and displays wisdom instead of anger. He's a character who sits above everyone else while they look at him in awe. He's essentially God in human form. The Last Temptation of Christ seeks to flip the character of Jesus by making him first and foremost a human being, a decision that didn't really sit well with a lot of his more fervent followers in the late 1980s. Portraying Jesus for this go-round is Willem Dafoe. The film opens with Jesus constructing crosses for the Romans, a job that earns him the scorn of his fellow Jews including his friend Judas (Harvey Keitel who's not as miscast as you would suspect) and Mary Magdalene (Barbara Hershey). Also plaguing Jesus are constant voices which sometimes render him immobile. These voices instruct Jesus that he is the Messiah and Jesus allows the voices to speak through him but in doing so the film introduces a character trait of Jesus that isn't found in any other film; doubt. Scorsese gives us a Jesus that is primarily human, not solely divine. Dafoe's Jesus is one that's constantly weighing the decision of taking on the massive burden of being the Messiah, the savior of humanity, versus living a normal life. He's constantly second guessing himself. At times he isn't even sure if he's the actual Messiah. Christianity has always held Jesus as the example of 'perfection,' but this Jesus doesn't see himself as perfect. He's a person faced with and constantly resisting temptation (check out that title). He possesses a real fear not only of crucifixion but also of the responsibility that he is to undertake. He's really the most relatable Jesus because he's not being painted as God. The divine part of Jesus takes a back seat to his humanity and with humanity comes imperfection. We see this Jesus strive toward that perfection and the struggle stays with him until his violent death. The main sequence of the film that resulted in it being labeled as 'controversial' and 'blasphemous' is the final thirty minutes after Jesus is nailed to the cross. He sees a little girl below him who tells him that his suffering is over and that he isn't meant to die. She takes him down and reveals a life where he has a wife, several in fact, who give him many children. He grows to an old age and witnesses the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. During this chaos he is confronted by an elderly Judas who tells him that his destiny wasn't to live a normal life, it was to save humanity through his death. By Jesus choosing an easier and more simple path people were deprived of their Messiah and ultimate salvation. Jesus begs to fulfill his destiny on the cross and finds himself back at his crucifixion, now ready and willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. Clearly this isn't based on any Gospel as the movie indicates in the opening scroll. The film also doesn't state that Jesus actually had children and wasn't the Messiah which is what led to boycotts and protests. These people who savaged the film for supposedly being 'blasphemous' must have missed the title 'The Last Temptation of Christ.' As I mentioned the whole point of the film is that Jesus was human and as a human was faced with tough moral decisions, the greatest of which was saving himself and leading the life of a normal man. I'm not sure what makes that so controversial but I also know enough to know that expecting people to think critically or deeply is often times setting a very high bar. To wrap this up, I thought this was a great movie. It brought a new layer to Jesus which would be a hard task for anybody. You would think that people especially Christians would be open to see a more personal and human Jesus and the exploration of Jesus' humanity again highlights Scorsese's fascination and embracing of his Catholic roots. It's a movie that offers a different perspective to the most written about, most studied, most important person in history and it does so in a refreshing and I'll even say reverent way, at least to this guy who's had his fair share of Catholic schooling.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 12, 2017 18:12:23 GMT -5
Based on memory, I agree.
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Post by Doomsday on Apr 27, 2017 11:00:54 GMT -5
And now the continuation of.... Doomsday's Exploration of the Scorsese Filmography Goodfellas (1990)
View count: Several times I normally don't like going into long reviews on extremely popular films unless there's something new that I'd like to contribute, whether that's a fresh perspective, something that stuck out at me, or how I would compare it to previous movies when rewatching the films of a particular director. In a lot of ways as I sit here it's hard to think of a really unique or fresh take when approaching Goodfellas. Sure there's the tracking shots, Joe Pesci's performance and the fact that it's considered one of the best gangster films ever. You could also make the argument that it was snubbed in the Best Picture/Best Director categories at the Oscars although I personally wouldn't go bat for it, I'm very fond of Dances With Wolves which beat it out. Other than that, what else can I say that hasn't been said already? Not a whole lot I think as it's probably one of the most talked about and discussed and studied films of the past 30 years. But I'll give it a shot. First, I'll come clean and admit that Goodfellas isn't my favorite gangster movie nor is it my favorite Scorsese movie. Not saying that it's a bad by any means, I just have other preferences. I do however really admire Goodfellas. One target of my admiration is the fact that there isn't the redemption aspect that you come to expect in movies such as this. Usually there's a change in the character for better or for worse (Michael in The Godfather for example) or something happens to a character that makes them remorseful. Or what's more likely is that they're just brought down completely. Henry Hill, the main protagonist of the film, is a guy who since childhood has idolized the gangster lifestyle and embraced it completely. After being forced into a deal which required him to 'rat' on his lifelong friends we conclude with Henry in the witness protection program. His parting narration is that he's now a regular joe, a nobody who 'gets to spend the rest of his life like a schnook.' I recently finished The Sopranos for the first time. Tony is much the same, a guy you can relate to but a terrible person on the whole. He loves his family but cheats on his wife. He defends his friends from harm but murders people in cold blood. He's someone you want to root for knowing full well that he's going down and for good reason. Another source of my admiration is how Scorsese treats the women behind our hoodlum protagonists. Much like the Sopranos, Goodfellas also has some pretty powerful and complicit female characters. Karen Hill is brought into the mix when she goes on a blind date with Henry. After he stands her up she tracks him down and shames him into taking her out again. After he hands her a gun to hide she admits 'it turned me on.' And throughout her life she turns a blind eye to Henry's philandering and criminal lifestyle due to what's provided for her. Secretly she knows and despises the people who surround her and how she's also dragged into these criminal circles but like Henry she finds a point where she's in too deep. In ways different from Henry she finds herself drawn in and can't fathom getting out. It immediately made me think of Carmela Soprano who lives under the same circumstances, a woman used to a lifestyle and is willing to put up with anything rather than legitimately try to find a way out. By the end of Goodfellas you aren't supposed to feel very sympathetic for Henry. He destroyed himself after all but at the same time you can't help but feel the same for Karen. You can debate which movie is Scorsese's masterpiece if you had to pick just one. What isn't up for debate is that Goodfellas is one of the top contenders, the others probably being Taxi Driver and Raging Bull. It's an involving, focused film that became the standard for the modern mob/crime movie. But hey, you knew that already.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 27, 2017 17:08:05 GMT -5
there's something new that I'd like to contribute Casino > Goodfellas Joe Pesci in Home Alone > Joe Pesci in Goodfellas
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Post by thebtskink on Apr 27, 2017 17:33:25 GMT -5
there's something new that I'd like to contribute Casino > Goodfellas Joe Pesci in Home Alone > Joe Pesci in Goodfellas No. You are wrong.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 27, 2017 19:38:37 GMT -5
there's something new that I'd like to contribute Casino > Goodfellas Joe Pesci in Home Alone > Joe Pesci in Goodfellas If you're going to troll could you at least put a little more effort into it than to simply abuse the "greater than less than" characters.
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Post by Neverending on Apr 27, 2017 21:36:14 GMT -5
Doomsday knows darn well my feelings about the 1990 Oscars. Andy Garcia was robbed. His character in Godfather III was the better developed one - incest and all. Joe Pesci has like 5 minutes of screentime in Goodfellas and it was just making jokes, killing people and then getting shot in the head. I don't know how he even got nominated. His character in Home Alone is definitely more fleshed out and he has Daniel Stern to play off and all the physical comedy. When people think Joe Pesci they think My Cousin Vinny (his defining role and more worthy of an Oscar), Home Alone, Lethal Weapon and THEN that one scene in Goodfellas.
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Post by Dracula on Apr 27, 2017 22:01:56 GMT -5
Doomsday knows darn well my feelings about the 1990 Oscars. Andy Garcia was robbed. His character in Godfather III was the better developed one - incest and all. Joe Pesci has like 5 minutes of screentime in Goodfellas and it was just making jokes, killing people and then getting shot in the head. I don't know how he even got nominated. His character in Home Alone is definitely more fleshed out and he has Daniel Stern to play off and all the physical comedy. When people think Joe Pesci they think My Cousin Vinny (his defining role and more worthy of an Oscar), Home Alone, Lethal Weapon and THEN that one scene in Goodfellas. I'm not even sure how to respond to that.
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Post by PG Cooper on Apr 27, 2017 23:59:06 GMT -5
He's gone full troll.
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Post by Deexan on Apr 28, 2017 23:14:47 GMT -5
That's why Pesci retired after HA2. Downhill from there.
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